Same here. And some of the complaints I can agree with or acknowledge - it just depends on how much of a big deal certain things are to me personally.
Early Review of Picard Season 3
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Same here. And some of the complaints I can agree with or acknowledge - it just depends on how much of a big deal certain things are to me personally.
There are still moments I enjoy. And I want to like the show like I did during the first two years, which I was totally into. Seasons 3-4 were just very big missteps for me (similar to Picard Season 2, which I felt pretty similar about). Maybe I'm just not very smart lol but I don't like the trajectory the show is on now and something about it just really disinterests me.
But that's just me
ENT was more of a spin-off to TNG than it ever was a direct prequel to TOS. People can perform their mental gymnastics all they wish to make it fit along with DISCO and STRANGE, but aesthetically it doesn't make it so.I remember when it was Enterprise which fans insisted couldn't possibly fit into the pre-existing continuity
I don't mind a Star Trek series actually going where no one has gone before.There are still moments I enjoy. And I want to like the show like I did during the first two years, which I was totally into. Seasons 3-4 were just very big missteps for me (similar to Picard Season 2, which I felt pretty similar about). Maybe I'm just not very smart lol but I don't like the trajectory the show is on now and something about it just really disinterests me.
But that's just me
Same. What I am discovering is the huge gulf of things that make show entertaining to me vs. the Trek fans I interact with. I still find myself a little surprised by the sticking points for others.
I said I wasn't going to debate DSC here, so we're not going to. And anyway, I have issues with PIC Season 2. More the second half than the first half. I think they could've done a lot more with what they had.There are still moments I enjoy. And I want to like the show like I did during the first two years, which I was totally into. Seasons 3-4 were just very big missteps for me (similar to Picard Season 2, which I felt pretty similar about). Maybe I'm just not very smart lol but I don't like the trajectory the show is on now and something about it just really disinterests me.
But that's just me
I thought the characters should've been treated better and still hope Rios somehow survived and makes a return. Maybe his holograms with still be around.
One i've seen online lately is that they won't watch season 3 (and 2)because Picard died and the show is no longer about Picard. From how things were presented in season 1 I took it as Picard's complete consciousness transferring over to the new body. So he is still the original Picard in mind. Soong was also going to transfer his consciousness to the new body until he used it for Picard. Unlike in the TOS movies where Spock's consciousness from TOS, TMP, and TWOK actually died and a copy was placed into a regenerated body. In that case, the Spock the audience had been seeing actually died but I don't recall any complaints ever about that. McCoy also commented that he liked Spock better before he died, indicating there was some difference in Spock. He even had to relearn things. Picard has been the exact same Picard since the transfer. I have bigger issues with that plot point not really going anywhere and seeming to have no purpose than I do him being a synthetic body.
Other issues I had with the finale (which I rewatched yesterday) was Soji being upset that Picard was having health problems on La Sirena at the same time she was working on the signal that would kill him and all life anyway! WHAT??
I’m a diehard Trek fan but a huge TNG fan who logged onto this place ages ago. I remembered being shocked that people thought VOY was better than TNG but soon learned we all have different opinions and preferences and came to respect that. I love to see the debates still going on but man do people get hateful about some of this.
DISCO sux tho.
DISCO sux tho.
Speaking for myself, I simply find Trek subpar relative to other contemporary media I consume. I don't think NuTrek is particularly good at anything. There's been much better sci-fi in recent years - certainly far better drama. I don't find it all too meaningful to compare it to shows produced 30 -50+ years ago that happen to share the same brand name.
As a 30+ year fan of Trek, these shortcomings have been disappointing to say the least. But in more recent times, that disappointment has transitioned into apathy. Even if Picard S3 is substantially better than S2 (and my goodness, you would hope it's better), I'm still not sure I'd care. The damage has been done. It's not irreparable, but I personally would need something spectacular from Trek to revitalize any good will or excitement for the future.
Some Doomcock vs RMB-gate news. Two PICARD staff writers have commented on Twitter about it...
Matt Okumura (co-writer of "Hide and Seek" from season 2 and untitled 308)
Christopher Monfette (de facto deputy to Akiva Goldsman for the second half of season 2, co-/writer of multiple season 2 and 3 eps)
Matt Okumura (co-writer of "Hide and Seek" from season 2 and untitled 308)
Christopher Monfette (de facto deputy to Akiva Goldsman for the second half of season 2, co-/writer of multiple season 2 and 3 eps)
Careful, some here will tell you you’re wrong to have opinions that differ from theirs.
I can understand how you feel. Personally I’m extremely excited for Picard season 3. And I love Lower Decks and SNW. Prodigy too. So for me, it’s just Disco that is a drag. Again, just me. We’re all entitled to opinions without others degrading them.
Definitely.
For me, it’s something in the pacing and writing. I don’t find the characters particularly compelling anymore and the stakes constantly being so high where only Michael can fix things is becoming tiresome. I still hope I’ll come around to it. As I said, I mostly enjoyed the first 2 years. I can’t pinpoint the exact changes that caused me to dislike seasons 3-4 so much but it wasn’t the jump forward.
I mean, terrible people seemed to agree that Andor was great, after hating much of Disney Star Wars. And you know what...the terrible people were right...Andor was generally a better show than the rest of Disney Star Wars.
For better or worse, some shows do get universally acclaimed, and generally speaking, terrible people will like them, because terrible people are included under the "universal" qualifier.
What I find interesting is the bad-faith trolls don't really seem to love anything new that other people generally hate. They only seem to hate things other people love. Like, I can't think of a single thing they point to for "good storytelling" which is thought of as bad by the "other side."
For better or worse, some shows do get universally acclaimed, and generally speaking, terrible people will like them, because terrible people are included under the "universal" qualifier.
What I find interesting is the bad-faith trolls don't really seem to love anything new that other people generally hate. They only seem to hate things other people love. Like, I can't think of a single thing they point to for "good storytelling" which is thought of as bad by the "other side."
Completely fair. And I hope you get what you want. I don't have the same desire for entertainment as others do, so Trek has done it for me, as well as some other science fiction and drama. That's the nature of my life.
The only apathy I have is to trying to figure out the comparison game. If a show works for me, then it doesn't matter if it is like something 30+ years ago; I find some wonderful meaning in Discovery, Picard less so, Strange New Worlds, and just overall humor in LD and Prodigy.
The damage is not irreparable either; Trek is in the same place it's always been for me. Half Ok, half less engaging.
No they won't, jeeze.
Seems like a cunning way to get hits or views; the click baiting motives always appeared to me as disingenuous, many of them I doubt they truly have those feelings about the project. They know if its popular and there's critiques, fans will come to either agree or disagree. What I wish most would do is breakdown why they didn't like the project and make a good argument for their case.
RMB is always whining that Star Trek went down when JJ Abrams took over, but fail to talk ENT or Berman Trek which I thought was failing by the end which lead to Bad Robot. It also, convenient to leave Berman Trek out when he was known to edit EPK material for them.
I think they are often the same people. It's really just a matter of articulation. Some people tend to use cussing and other hyperbole. Some have a more cold calculated approach. I find myself as someone who tends to rely heavy on comedy and analogies. I think when I was younger I might have used a term like sucking more than I do now.
I prefer the Gus Frings to the Tuco Salamancas.
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