No, a state of emergency was in place. Martial law would be a step beyond that.
When did I say that? Idid say the US President couldn't, is that what you're confused about?
Duties of the Federation President
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No, a state of emergency was in place. Martial law would be a step beyond that.
When did I say that? Idid say the US President couldn't, is that what you're confused about?
You're the one confused. The question debated in this thread is about the President's powers and duties, everything else is at best collateral.
Or the combined Membership of the Federation.
Or the Starfleet Admiralty.
Or the officers in the fleet, Lawton apparently only had the support of one starship.
Sisko got there first, but he was hardly the Federation's only hope.
But again Kirkfan, when did I state or suggest that the Federation President lacked the power to declare martial law? You are attributing this to me.
Can you produce a direct quote from one of my postings?
Or are you conceding that you in fact employed a failed strawman argument?
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Or the combined Membership of the Federation.
Or the Starfleet Admiralty.
Or the officers in the fleet, Lawton apparently only had the support of one starship.
Sisko got there first, but he was hardly the Federation's only hope.
But again Kirkfan, when did I state or suggest that the Federation President lacked the power to declare martial law? You are attributing this to me.
Can you produce a direct quote from one of my postings?
Or are you conceding that you in fact employed a failed strawman argument?
Why should I go through your off topic folderol just to prove a minor point in an off topic argument?
It seems your only occupation here is to divert from interesting discussion.
I think a military coup lead by Kirk would have been a better ending to Star Trek IV. Kirk could have been dictator of the Federation and the Enterprise could have been like his Air Force One. More likely in the mirror universe I guess...
I think mirror Spock eventually killed mirror Kirk.
It would have been interesting if some of Starfleet officers, while not supporting Admiral Lawton's actions, agreed on a philosophical level with the reasoning behind those actions.
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Why should you? Because it was your point, you Kirkfan attributed this matter to me.
Again, are you conceding that you in fact employed a failed strawman argument?
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It would have been interesting if some of Starfleet's officers, while not supporting Admiral Lawton's actions, agreed on a philosophical level with the reasoning behind those actions.
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Why should you? Because it was your point, you Kirkfan attributed this matter to me.
Again, are you conceding that you in fact employed a failed strawman argument?
I am tired of your inability to discuss the subject.
Are you willing to drop this shit and debate about the powers and duties of a 24th century federation President or should I stop paying attention to you?
The choice is yours.
So, are you or aren't you admitting you employed a strawman argument?
A simple yes or no will do nicely.
So, are you or aren't you admitting you employed a strawman argument?
A simple yes or no will do nicely.
I am not going to indulge your trolling of this debate if that's what you're asking.
How about you post something relevant to this thread instead of your childish games? Would that be too much to expect of you?
You two fight like an old married couple.
It would be nice and at the same time save this moribund thread if someone posted something of actual relevance to this thread.
We really have very little to go as to the duties of the UFP President, in TVH it looks like the council president over Kirk's court martial, but was that the full council or a special council formed due to the highly politcal nature of Genesis and so as to avoid the apperance of a whitewash the Council took the step of presidenting over the court martial rather than Starfleet.
That's an interesting theory. In truth we can't deduce a pattern from only one instance of something. You can't tell the exceptional from the customary.
One of the difficulty in determining if that was "The Council" is we don't know how many Members there were in the Federation at that time, and therefor have no idea the size of the Council. The people we saw in the seating area could have been a combination of representatives, starfleet officers and observers.
I've never had the feeling that what we were seeing was in fact a full Federation Council meeting.
Canonically, we know that the office is called President of the United Federation of Planets (ST4). We know that the Federation President can preside over and issue the sentences for special Starfleet courts-martial (ST4). We know that the Federation President may devise and conduct foreign policy for the Federation (ST6). We know the Federation President is legally empowered to negotiate and sign binding treaties on behalf of the Federation (ST6); we do not know if said treaties require ratification from the full Council the way modern treaties usually require legislative ratification to achieve force of law. We know the Federation Starfleet takes its orders from the Federation President (ST6) and that the Federation President is their commander-in-chief ("Paradise Lost," DS9). We know that the Federation President can issue operational orders to Starfleet ships, bases, and facilities, and in particular has the authority to order them to tighten security ("Homefront," DS9). We also know the Federation President has the authority to do with for Federation government facilities ("Homefront," DS9). We know the Federation President has the authority to declare states of emergency on Federation worlds and to order the widespread deployment of Starfleet personnel across planetary surfaces when he issues such an order ("Homefront," DS9). We know that the Federation President is elected ("Paradise Lost," DS9), though we don't know if this is a popular election or if it is an indirect election of some kind.
That's really about all we know canonically. If we want any further information, we have to expand our menu to include non-canonical information. For my money, the best and most interesting depiction of the Federation Presidency and government is found in the novels (particularly in their depiction of the relationship between the President and Council as being quite unlike any that exist in real-world systems). Memory Beta's article on the Federation Presidency is a good overview. (Full disclosure: I wrote much of that article back when Memory Beta was first starting out, and have regularly helped revise it since.)
That's really about all we know canonically. If we want any further information, we have to expand our menu to include non-canonical information. For my money, the best and most interesting depiction of the Federation Presidency and government is found in the novels (particularly in their depiction of the relationship between the President and Council as being quite unlike any that exist in real-world systems). Memory Beta's article on the Federation Presidency is a good overview. (Full disclosure: I wrote much of that article back when Memory Beta was first starting out, and have regularly helped revise it since.)
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