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Poll Dune Part 2 (2024) Spoiler/Rating Thread

Rating?

  • A+

    Votes: 18 34.6%

  • A

    Votes: 20 38.5%

  • A-

    Votes: 6 11.5%

  • B+

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • B

    Votes: 3 5.8%

  • B-

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • C+

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • C

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • C-

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    52
I feel these two films are a very good cinematic take on the book and it's themes. It pretty much left out a lot of the intrigue of other aspects of the Imperium (which I actually don't mind) - like the Spacing Guild (and yes, the film mentions the fact that without the Spice, interstellar navigation would be impossible); but they were also a great motivating factor for the Emperor to take out Duke Leto and especially Paul Atreides. In the film, the Emperor's motivation is that Leto is popular with The Landsraad and could ascend the Throne, but as he "rules with his Heart..." the current Emperor sees him as weak.

It also doesn't really do a lot with the Mentats or the fact that aside from one world (Ix) - computers and AI tech are outlawed and non-existent but in the film the Arrakis planetary tracking system the Harkonnen have appears rather high tech for the Dune Universe <--- But these things don't negatively impact the story being told (IMO). I think they did a good job with the portrayal of the Fremen and the Fremen leader Stilgar too.

I love the portrayal of the Baron Harkonnen, Raban and Feyd <--- FINALLY, screen versions of these characters that IMO capture the book versions a lot better. And they really did a good job with showing what manipulators the Bene Gesserit Order is.

IDK if they'll attempt Children Of Dune or any of the other sequels, but if they do, I'd be interested to see it.

(I hadn't been following any production reports and didn't really look at any trailers; so when I saw Christopher Walken as the Emperor sitting on the throne, I guess I'm a weird Nerd, because the first thought that came into my head was: "More CowBell."
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I hadn't been following any production reports and didn't really look at any trailers; so when I saw Christopher Walken as the Emperor sitting on the throne, I guess I'm a weird Nerd, because the first thought that came into my head was: "More CowBell."
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I only wondered if I'd missed some brief encounter with Guild navigators in the first film when walking to my car after seeing the second the other evening. I didn't notice at all. Now I read online that it's been a source of concern.
 
In theory Edric would have to be in the third movie, assuming it gets made... but that would be years away.
 
This is so far the most Guild-Less of all the adaptations.

I do like that this tries to play up what Paul and Jessica were doing as not all that good and rather exploitative, but it kept making Paul out to be a tragic figure rather than the "False Messiahs are bad" message Frank Herbert was going for.

Then again this is inherent in the source material, where Herbert himself realized he didn't do a good job in the first book and wrote Dune Messiah to spell it out for us.
 
Anwar said:
This is so far the most Guild-Less of all the adaptations.

I do like that this tries to play up what Paul and Jessica were doing as not all that good and rather exploitative, but it kept making Paul out to be a tragic figure rather than the "False Messiahs are bad" message Frank Herbert was going for.

Then again this is inherent in the source material, where Herbert himself realized he didn't do a good job in the first book and wrote Dune Messiah to spell it out for us.
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Paul is a tragic figure. He's an Atreides. There's a reason he has that name. Messiah is a Greek Tragedy set in space.

Things can be more than one thing.

"Messiah's" can be bad for the people they save.
They can also be tragically forced into holding a "Great man" position while knowing themselves that they had little to no control over it, that it was Zeitgeist, hating it with every ounce of their soul, desperately searching for an escape, and failing hard. Paul was the Fremen hero. The Fremen followed Paul to their own destruction. But the jihad wasn't because of Paul, Paul was because of the Jihad. Short of killing himself in the tent with Jessica before the Fremen found him, the Jihad was unstoppable. And at that point he didn't know that was the stopping point under his name.

Even then, the jihad would have simply occurred under someone elses name. What was Thufir and the Barons plan? To put Feyd at the head of a Fremen army to scour the universe. The jihad was the unconscious yearning of all of humanity to fight, fuck, and disperse it's stagnant genes after millennia of stagnation, where only the rich could afford to travel world to world. Paul was the personification of that, but if it wasn't him, it was going to be someone else. Zeitgeist under the disguise of Great Man.

You can be both a warning and tragic.
 
Saw this Friday on IMAX and loved it. A sweeping epic story, and it didn't feel like it was nearly three hours long. I have read Dune but it's been a very long time so I suppose Lynch's film has been my main source of knowledge on the Dune universe but this felt like it was done right, I appreciate the lack of the Guilt and the Mentats but it didn't spoil my enjoyment.

I thought the cast were almost universally superb, the one slightly low point was Walken, I thought he was miscast. Zendaya and Chalamet were great, Ferguson and Butler and Skarsgard too, and I thought Pugh did great work with a limited amount of screen time, I especially appreciated the look at the end when she realised Paul loved Chani and would never love her. And as others have said, Bardem's journey from hard arsed leader to devoted follower was nicely handled. Bautista always understands the assigment.

Obviously the film needed more Lea Seydoux but you can't have everything.

I really hope Villeneuve gets to give us a third film.
 
I saw it the other day. It was very much awe inspiring since the seats I got with my brother were in the front row. I did like the meditation on it being what happens when one abuses/plants/ a prophecy that is then used by different motives or people. I thought Zendaya's character made me say 'huh' at some points as Paul's Messiah role took over. I did like the strange fireworks on the other planet that the evil lord's house was on. It was really different and the way that the movie was shot incorporating the landscape/colors of the lands/clothing were really well done. At several parts, I caught the wind that the religious prophecy that Lady Jessica was using seemed to be less of God and her unborn daughter, and the idea of playing with fire was very well pointed. There were some quibbles to it but the only thing that I would have enjoyed more would be less of a front seat. The theater was severely packed.
 
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