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Poll Dune Part 2 (2024) Spoiler/Rating Thread

Rating?

  • A+

    Votes: 18 34.6%
  • A

    Votes: 20 38.5%
  • A-

    Votes: 6 11.5%
  • B+

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • B

    Votes: 3 5.8%
  • B-

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • C+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C-

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    52
I would say the casting was the best of any Dune adaption.

I really can't find a fault beyond the weird gender swap of Liat Keynes in the first movie (though it's not a major gripe).

ian mcneice is still my favorite Baron for capturing the sheer greed and gluttony while providing flare. But stellan skarsgård still does an amazing job.

Skarsgård's take on the Baron was a lurking raspy crooner who's an intellectual thug.

Perhaps the most miscast role in the two movies is arguably Christopher Walken, but that may be due to his relatively scant screentime and the role more suited to more regal character actors (like Patrick Stewart, Timothy Dalton, or Jesper Christensen).
 
I would contend that if the author failed to get his message across to a multitude of his readers, then the fault lies with the author, not the readers.
The first novel Dune was perhaps a lot more more popular than expected and he overestimated the reading comprehension skills of his eventual audience? I admit I didn't really get it until I read Dune Messiah. Herbert's oeuvre is very much like that. He doesn't spoon feed you. The Pandora Sequence series is another example.
 
The first novel Dune was perhaps a lot more more popular than expected and he overestimated the reading comprehension skills of his eventual audience? I admit I didn't really get it until I read Dune Messiah. Herbert's oeuvre is very much like that. He doesn't spoon feed you. The Pandora Sequence series is another example.

Eh, you can't blame the readers that much. I read Dune years ago and there was rarely any negative aura around what Paul was doing, the book went full on Lawrence of Arabia with him. It wasn't until Dune Messiah that all the negative side to him unleashing his Fremen followers on the Universe was really pointed out. Herbert may not have realized it himself until afterwards that he didn't do as good a job pointing out the bad implications.
 
The other thing about Dune the novel is that it's supposed to be about ecology - ecology of the planet, ecology of societies, ecology of the Imperium - with the various conflicting interests threatening the equilibrium. It's a feudal system stagnant for ten millennia that's in danger of choking itself to death because of its lack of variation and adaptability. Paul's violent reset of the system to a centralised theocracy cannot save humankind in the long term. It takes his son Leto II's self-sacrifice to do this.
 
It might not have been telegraphed, but he was someone that felt doomed.

In a way, he was. His bloodline and birth were engineered centuries beforehand. His mother trained him as a Bene Gesserit, Hawat trained him as a potential Mentat, Gurney and Duncan honed him to a razor's edge as a warrior and future duke. His emperor condemned him to death, the Fremen (through the Bene Gesserit) were his only escape hatch but made him their messiah. In the end, he WAS the Kwisatz Haderach. Rarely in fiction or real life has a single person's destiny been such a railroad. Paul never really had a chance.
 
Treat them separately and they are ok, especially the House series.

Others I have not read.
They're readable enough pulp fanwank by two people who don't seem to get what Frank Herbert was getting at. I gave my copies away to charity when they traduced Frank's memory by having Irulan's accounts dismissed as "revisionist history". The worst books in the BH&JKA series are Paul of Dune (joins the space circus) and Hunters of Dune. I have never believed that Frank's long-lost outline was found hidden in a safety deposit box. That's what I call revisionism.

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Are the books by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson worth checking out?
I've enjoyed most of them, but I'm probably in the minority. I will admit one issue I have is they go way overboard with the graphic violence. It's not that I'm squeamish about that sort of thing, but getting an in-depth description of some guy soiling himself just before each limb is torn apart and the blood sprays everywhere is a bit OTT.
 
So, do we assume that in the Villeneuve version Chani and Kynes are not related?
I don't recall if that's an important plot point in the novel - with both Paul and Chani having lost a parent to the Harkonnens. Is Chani even Stilgar's niece in this adaptation?
 
I don't recall if that's an important plot point in the novel - with both Paul and Chani having lost a parent to the Harkonnens. Is Chani even Stilgar's niece in this adaptation?

Wait, does that mean Stilgar was Kynes' brother or his sister was Kynes' wife?

I know Kynes was supposed to be the secret leader of the Fremen, right?
 
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