Dune 2018 (19,20,21...)

[wayoung]

Hans Zimmerman is super excited about Dune and is driving Dennis crazy with all the new sound ideas he has everyday. Big change from how Zimmerman talked about Superhero movies and how they'd sapped his creativity. His excitement makes me excited. He states in the interview that he unequivocally told Nolan he had to do Dune, it has been a passion of his since this teenage years, and that Nolan understood which is why Zimmerman did not do Tenet.

Zimmerman confirms he has started recording the score in London and Vienna, and says it's proceeding "Ok" despite Covid.

https://variety.com/2020/music/news...-bond-dune-lion-king-ascap-awards-1234646855/

 

[The Nth Doctor]

*Zimmer

*Denis

Did you even the article?

But it's good to read that Zimmer is excited about score of the film. I love his works, especially in collaboration with Christopher Nolan, so I was already very excited about what he'll come up with here.

 

[Nerys Myk]

*Zimmer

*Denis

Did you even the article?

But it's good to read that Zimmer is excited about score of the film. I love his works, especially in collaboration with Christopher Nolan, so I was already very excited about what he'll come up with here.

Actually Bob Dylan is scoring this, but wants to keep it on the downlow. In other news the director is now Dennis Dugan, the man behind such classic as Happy Gilmore and Big Daddy

 

[wayoung]

I post using mobile, autocorrect doesn't like their names.

Tenet is officially delayed until August. No idea what this means for Dune/Dunes marketing.

 

[Mage]

While working up towards this movie, I've been partially re-reading Dune and watching the old Lynch version and the mini series.

And here's a thing that struck me......Passage of time. In many novels, series, movies, the passage of time is often weird. Did events happen over the course of days? Weeks? Months?

It has always felt a bit unclear to me how much time passed between the moment the Atreides landed on Dune and when the Harkonnen took it back. I'd say weeks on week atleast, most likely several months.

 

[The Wormhole]

Actually reread the first novel recently myself. To be honest, I didn't get the impression very much time passed between the Atreides arriving and the Harkonnens retaking Arrakis. Maybe a period of several weeks, a couple months at the most. Indeed, I suspect the first two parts of the novel take up less than a six month period. Then at the start of part 3 they specify it is two years later, with part 3 itself maybe taking up another handful of weeks.

 

[Mage]

Actually reread the first novel recently myself. To be honest, I didn't get the impression very much time passed between the Atreides arriving and the Harkonnens retaking Arrakis. Maybe a period of several weeks, a couple months at the most. Indeed, I suspect the first two parts of the novel take up less than a six month period. Then at the start of part 3 they specify it is two years later, with part 3 itself maybe taking up another handful of weeks.

A couple of months, yes. Weeks.... I don't know. 6 week, a month and a half..... Maybe.... Even with the Emperor in on it, and many of the houses in the Landsraad not happy with Atreides, they must have know that acting to soon would look suspicious.

 

[The Wormhole]

Sure, but really, while reading it, it really doesn't feel like much time is passing by. That could just be time being weird because of the narrative, everything moving at the speed of the plot as they say, but that's how it feels to me anyway.

 

[Mage]

Sure, but really, while reading it, it really doesn't feel like much time is passing by. That could just be time being weird because of the narrative, everything moving at the speed of the plot as they say, but that's how it feels to me anyway.

Which is why I brought it up. Often in novels, show and movies passage of time is made rather unclear. And perhaps it's not essential. I just often find it clarifies some things. But that might just be personal preference.

 

[Marc]

Which is why I brought it up. Often in novels, show and movies passage of time is made rather unclear. And perhaps it's not essential. I just often find it clarifies some things. But that might just be personal preference.

Just re-read the book and I don't think there's a explicit time frame mention given but paying attention it's about 3 years (from the biogs at the back if nothing else).

In the Lynch film there is a voice over saying (paraphrased) how in three standard years that followed, Paul and the Fremen brought spice mining on Arrakis to a stand still.

 

[Mage]

Just re-read the book and I don't think there's a explicit time frame mention given but paying attention it's about 3 years (from the biogs at the back if nothing else).

In the Lynch film there is a voice over saying (paraphrased) how in three standard years that followed, Paul and the Fremen brought spice mining on Arrakis to a stand still.

I need to reread the appendices again..... I can't recall that voice-over in the Lynch movie, I'll check again

 

[wayoung]

It is a short time before they are attacked. I'd go with a matter of weeks. Keep in mind, the longer they wait the more Harkonnen infrastructure they rip out, and the more spice the Atreides produce.

The Harkonnens/Emperor had to hit them early enough that spice production levels haven't recovered to near Harkonnen levels. This is key to making The Landsraad uneasy about Atreides capabilities, lessened the Dukes popularity, and making them eager for someone who's knows what they are doing to take over. Plus, the longer they wait the bigger the force of the Atreides Sardaukar equivalent soldiers grows.


It also has to be long enough for the Duke to believe most of the Harkonnen plots and saboteurs have been uncovered and his spice production to have started to increase enough to make him feel comfortable, while still having his paranoia about his wife and other lieutenants worm into his brain.

 

[Marc]

I need to reread the appendices again..... I can't recall that voice-over in the Lynch movie, I'll check again

I standard corrected. - It's two years based on the books.

The biog says Duke Leto died in 10,191, and the baron harkonnen in 10,193.

It also has to be long enough for the Duke to believe most of the Harkonnen plots and saboteurs have been uncovered and his spice production to have started to increase enough to make him feel comfortable, while still having his paranoia about his wife and other lieutenants worm into his brain.

well that failed for them in terms of the Duke but it did get Hawat looking in the wrong direction

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I'm currently rereading Dune and the hubbub about Kynes being a chick in the upcoming film is ironic given Stilgar saying the only hang up with Jessia challenging him for leadership was her at the time outsider status.

 

[wayoung]

I'm currently rereading Dune and the hubbub about Kynes being a chick in the upcoming film is ironic given Stilgar saying the only hang up with Jessia challenging him for leadership was her at the time outsider status.

Sexists gonna sexist. Only time race/sex/sexuality matters in casting is when it's integral to the character, otherwise there's nothing wrong with updating materials to present a more diverse, inclusive, and reflective cast of characters.

My dream batman is still Idris Elba.

 

[The Wormhole]

My dream batman is still Idris Elba.

Sorry, but he has to be Superman. I want that line from Hobbs and Shaw to be prophetic.

 

[FPAlpha]

Sorry, but he has to be Superman. I want that line from Hobbs and Shaw to be prophetic.

You're both wrong.. Idris is meant to play Bond!

Yeah, this sexist attitude is pervasive in pop culture, which always prides itself on being inclusive and progressive but cross a certain line like making Arielle the Mermaid a woman(?)/Mermaid of color people lose their shit.

Would be funny if the underlying issue wouldn't be so serious.

 

[Mage]

Sexists gonna sexist. Only time race/sex/sexuality matters in casting is when it's integral to the character, otherwise there's nothing wrong with updating materials to present a more diverse, inclusive, and reflective cast of characters.

Exactly this. Let's say they turned Paul into a female character. Unless you completely rewrite the entire story of Dune. The concept being that the Kwisatz Haderach is a male who can look into a place of prescient knowledge where a woman can't. So that would be a bit weird.
So many other characters aren't depended on their gender. So why not have Kynes be the mother of Chani instead of father? No issue there.

 

[Reverend]

Yeah, of the few characters in Dune that you could gender flip without much fuss, Kynes is right up there. Yueh could have also a been a possibility, just switch the dead wife for a dead husband (or not!) I guess Thufir could also work as a female character, though I have a hard time picturing a female equivalent of that old spymaster archetype (cultural prejudice on my part, no doubt.)
That said, are female mentats outside of the Bene Gesserits even a thing? I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be any, save perhaps the Sisterhood actively forbidding it for fear of competition.

Indeed the cast overall could use a few extra female characters since while they're all written and represented well (especially for the time the novel was written) there's really only a mere handful compared to the legion of males. Even that is only if you include the likes of Mapes, Harah, Mohiam & Irulan; the former three being bit players with the latter being more of a passive presence than a character.

My dream batman is still Idris Elba.

My only issue with this is that if it's the Bruce Wayne Batman then he does kinda need to be white since his coming from old white privilege establishment is kind of core to the character's origins. Sure there are black American million and billionaires but they're typically self made, or only one or two generations removed from poverty which holds a whole other set of connotations.

Now, Terry McGinnis on the other hand can be any ethnicity, or indeed gender. So that's wide open!

 

[JD]

Hell, with McGinnis, you wouldn't even need to change his/her name.