DS9 Suicide
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Yeah Miles came pretty close.
After that, I'd say Garak. He had some serious issues and I believe he may have considered it during the wire.
After that, I'd say Garak. He had some serious issues and I believe he may have considered it during the wire.
Weyoun. Because there'd just be another one in an hour.
Did he not already do that when he was with Odo?
Actually, Jake did commit suicide to save Sisko in The Visitor.
This business never made sense to me. We were told that the Vorta clone themselves to mitigate the risk of their work, but the show didn't seem to realise that a clone would still be an entirely separate person - the consciousness of the previous incarnation would be gone.
And that was after another one died in a transporter "accident" off screen before the episode.
They did realize that a clone is another person. They always talked about "your predecessor, Weyoun Five" and there was even a "flawed" clone, Weyoun Six. So what? The Vorta don't think they matter as individuals, and the Founders don't think Vorta matter as individuals. All that matters to them is serving the Founders, and all that matter to the Founders is that there is always a Weyoun to perform the duties of a Weyoun.
I think we are supposed to think they undergo periodic "memory transfers" or similar, to preserve the memory and personality of the original.
But if they don't matter as individuals, why does there have to be a Weyoun? There must be billions of Vorta.
Weyoun is not an individual, it's a model, so to speak, presumably intended to occupy a certain position. (Weyoun Five, Six, Seven etc. are individuals.) Could it be fulfilled by some other Vorta? Possible, but I guess that's just the way Founders like to run things - they design a particular Vorta with a set of characteristics and decide that he or she would be perfect for a certain position or task. There isn't really any reason for Vorta to look male or female, isn't it? But I suppose that the Founders might think that having, a gender together with a humanoid appearance, makes them more suitable for diplomatic dealings with humanoids?
Any of the characters would be. Kurn and O'Brien gave as the depressed view, Jake and Weyoun gave us the self sacrifice to save someone elses life and Worf, Sisko, Jem'Hadar from "Rocks and Shoals" gave us the willingness to accept suicide missions.
I have a hard time believing Dukat would kill himself. I think his ego would drive him through depression in that his views on his own self-importance would not discourage suicide as an acceptable why for him to die. I don't think he would sacrifice himself for anyone, not even Ziyal. I think her meaning to him was only in death. As for suicide missions, he would worm his way out of it somehow because to Dukat there is nothing higher than his own life.
That's my take on having two genders of Vorta. There will be times when a particular sex would be required to deal with some species. Also sex can be a very useful weapon of espionage, to either get the opportunity to steal the information they need or in manipulating and turning individuals to betray their state.
I have a hard time believing Dukat would kill himself. I think his ego would drive him through depression in that his views on his own self-importance would not discourage suicide as an acceptable why for him to die. I don't think he would sacrifice himself for anyone, not even Ziyal. I think her meaning to him was only in death. As for suicide missions, he would worm his way out of it somehow because to Dukat there is nothing higher than his own life.
That's my take on having two genders of Vorta. There will be times when a particular sex would be required to deal with some species. Also sex can be a very useful weapon of espionage, to either get the opportunity to steal the information they need or in manipulating and turning individuals to betray their state.
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Actually, I think when they die, they download much like the Cylons. Considering these are both RDM shows, it's my suspicion that Rondac III was acting as the resurrection hub. In the case of the Vorta, I would not be surprised if there was something in the termination implant that accomplished the transfer.
Doesn't Ron Moore or was it Robert Hewitt Wolfe who confirmed it in a chat?
That doesn't fit with what we saw with Weyoun Six and Weyoun Seven.
Once Weyoun 5's memories had downloaded to 6, I would expect they had to go through some sort of central data processing center at the "resurrection hub." So, when 6 didn't work out, it wasn't that hard to load those same memories from 5 into 7.
It is implied in BSG that, when Cylons download, they don't just get memories of another individual - they are virtually resurrected as the same individual. (Not to be confused with Athena getting Boomer's memories up to that point, before embarking on her mission in "33".)
