DS9 relaunch - incomplete?
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I really don't see the conflict with the Ascendants being that big of a event for the rest of the Galaxy outside of the Bajoran system. So far the only thing the Ascendants seem interested in is Bajor and their worship of the Prophets. So, since the rest of the Galaxy (except maybe the Cardassians?) doesn't worship the Prophets, I don't forsee the Ascendants being interested in anyone else.IMO, I would have liked to see the DS9-R "resolved" and have the 5 year jump in one of two ways:
(1) have a big EPIC trilogy dealing with the Ascendants, Dominion and wrap it up nicely, like Warp Coil suggests
or
(2) have a Full Circle type novel (or 2) to deal with the missing years, and have the Ascendants be in the center of the next 24th century TrekLit crossover event (after Typhon Pact)
any thoughts?
I'm with you. The Ascendants War, or whatever it's called, sounds like it would make a great 24th century crossover event. A great way to get DS9 totally in-line with the rest of the AQ
I know, I was making an assumption and nothing is set in stone yet... However, I think if they do move forward 5 years and we have no news (in the next year or two) that they're making a book/trilogy/whatever to fill in those 5 years... Then I highly doubt its ever going to happen. So it won't be a 'deliberate refusal' but instead something that simply won't happen - or at the very least, will be put on the backburner indefinitely.
And I completely agree - not so much that its a disservice, as Pocket has done a WONDERFUL job with the relaunch novels. But considering how epic and awesome the events of Destiny were, I too want to see them involved in all this crossover goodness - However, to do so at the price of (possibly) losing the past 5 years would be even MORE of a disservice... imo.
Totally agreed!! I too would LOVE a duology/trilogy finally addressing this simmering storyline.
Leaving the 5 year gap as a missing period of time, which is not mentioned, and which we know nothing about is exactly what I'm worried will happen.
So yes, even if they just mention the events vaguely (in the Typhon Pact miniseries) and then release a trilogy (or whatever) in the future, I will be happy - but leaving a big blank question mark would be a real shame.
IMO, I would have liked to see the DS9-R "resolved" and have the 5 year jump in one of two ways:
(1) have a big EPIC trilogy dealing with the Ascendants, Dominion and wrap it up nicely, like Warp Coil suggests
or
(2) have a Full Circle type novel (or 2) to deal with the missing years, and have the Ascendants be in the center of the next 24th century TrekLit crossover event (after Typhon Pact)
any thoughts?
I'm with you. The Ascendants War, or whatever it's called, sounds like it would make a great 24th century crossover event. A great way to get DS9 totally in-line with the rest of the AQ
I'm all for that as well! The Ascendants seemed like the next big thing - until they were put on the backburner and the Typhon Pact came into existence.
What places Doctor's Orders there? I always assumed it was a series-era story (probably because of the cover, but, still...).
I don't think that follows. Going by past precedent, sometimes the longer a gap goes unfilled, the more interest there is in seeing it filled. How long did it take for Slings and Arrows to come along and fill in the first year of the Enterprise-E? How long was it before a novel was written chronicling the years between Picard's commands of the Stargazer and the Enterprise?
After all, we're talking about Trek fans. Trek fans don't forget continuity gaps or trivia, they obsess over them for decades.
It reads like a series-era story, and really the whole placement of the Duane books in the post-TMP era is something of a retcon, since the early ones were originally set in a hypothetical second 5-year mission before TMP (when the chronology was less locked down). But Doctor's Orders features a couple of crewmembers from Duane's earlier books, Lia Burke and Janice Kerasus IIRC, so presumably that's why the book chronologies choose to place it alongside the other Duane books.
I remember Marco Palmieri having once said "There are no coincidences." When the Bajoran Ascendancy thing was pointed out, he said, "except that." But that doesn't mean some connection couldn't be made between them.As Millennium (the epilogue of book 3, to be more accurate) IMO is the "pilot" for the DS9-R, as well as one of my personal top 5 Trek stories ever, I'm all for it, Lindley!
I get the feeling the Ascendant War, such as it may be, would take place mostly in the Gamma Quadrant, and not involve the Federation to much of a degree. The affair is mostly between the Ascendants and the Eavoq, with the Bajorans coming in on the side of the Eavoq, and perhaps bringing in the Dominion aswell. Just because the Bajorans are involved doesn't mean the Federation as a whole gets into it. We've had examples of Federation members being at war with others without the Federation as a whole being at war before, eg. the Deltans vs the Carreon in Doors into Chaos.
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I don't think that follows. Going by past precedent, sometimes the longer a gap goes unfilled, the more interest there is in seeing it filled. How long did it take for Slings and Arrows to come along and fill in the first year of the Enterprise-E? How long was it before a novel was written chronicling the years between Picard's commands of the Stargazer and the Enterprise?
After all, we're talking about Trek fans. Trek fans don't forget continuity gaps or trivia, they obsess over them for decades.
Hahaha, you might be right! Though perhaps that's precisely why I'm so disappointed about skipping 5 years - I've been anticipating a follow up to Olympus Descending and the Ascendant storyline for years!
I certainly hope its not decades before this gap is filled... because I will most definitely be obsessing about it (... well, I already am, hence this thread.)Also, please allow me one fangirlish moment to say OMG I can't believe I'm actually 'talking' to Christopher L. Bennett! I am a huuuuge fan. Orion's Hounds is still my favourite Titan novel, and has been since I first read it - though I also loved Over a Torrent Sea. And Places of Exile... was what I wish Voyager was, you melded together so many elements so perfectly... I salute you sir! With people like you writing Trek, I will have no shortage of fabulous stories in my favourite universe to keep me occupied for those (potential) decades.
^Thanks!
I'm not happy with the decision to push DS9 into the post-Destiny time frame because I liked the idea of it continuing at its own pace and the stories going where they may. Since the editor who pioneered the move no longer works at Pocket (unfortunately, since she did some cool stuff) it is entirely possible that the next DS9R novel, after Rough Beasts of Empire, will jump backward again. We might get alternating novels between 2376/7 and 2381 until the gap is closed. Maybe even another Mission: Gamma-style miniseries.
Anything is possible.
Keep an open mind.
Anything is possible.
Keep an open mind.
What I'd most love is an episodic SCE/CoE-style "novella series." I'm actually fine with nothing major happening for five years, but there are too many good character-based storylines that are crying out for resolution.
From Destiny (and a few other sources IIRC), we know that
For that matter, it's been over a year and Bajor still has no Kai.
None of these need turn into huge world-shaking events, but they could easily give us the kind of character drama that traditionally set DS9 apart from other Treks.
Hell, my biggest regret about Taran'atar is that for most of his time on the station (prior to his wig-out) he was "somewhere else," studiously avoiding any personal interaction and being treated like an alien rottweiler (useful, but not someone to engage meaningfully in conversation).
From Destiny (and a few other sources IIRC), we know that
Alon Ghemore is assassinated and Garak eventually becomes ambassador to the Federation. Who replaces Ghemor is still up in the air.
For that matter, it's been over a year and Bajor still has no Kai.
None of these need turn into huge world-shaking events, but they could easily give us the kind of character drama that traditionally set DS9 apart from other Treks.
Hell, my biggest regret about Taran'atar is that for most of his time on the station (prior to his wig-out) he was "somewhere else," studiously avoiding any personal interaction and being treated like an alien rottweiler (useful, but not someone to engage meaningfully in conversation).
The Ascendants wouldn't like the Typhon Pact. Remember that they have it in for all "False" religions, not just Prophet-worshippers. As soon as they meet the Kinshaya they'd be out for genocide (and the Kinshaya don't seem likely to try diplomacy).unless of course the Ascendants were to ally themselves with the Typhon Pact..
Actually,
The fact that Castellan Ghemor was assassinated and replaced by an as-yet-unnamed woman was established in the short story "The Calling" by Andrew J. Robinson from "Prophecy and Change."
The war I'd like to see is the Ascendants vs. the Kinshaya vs. the Redeemers vs. the Androssi. Get all of the religious fanatics at each others throats.
Androssi? They're not religious, to my memory. Are they?
Rereading the scenes with the Ascendants in The Soul Key, I noticed that:
Raiq considers the Ascendant's war with the Dominion to be over.
^Interesting. And since the Prophets aren't linear, they could have sent Ghemor anywhere in time.
I would very much prefer DS9-R to 'remain seperate' from the rest of the new Trek universe.
The thing I like so much about the Relaunch series is that it focuses on the DS9 universe only (apart from a few minor detours like the Gamma adventures and the Worlds of DS9). It deals with the Bajoran/Cardassian region of space, and the story lines remain true to that.
I don't read the other Trek literature series because DS9 is my main interest, and I would really hate to see the DS9 universe turned upside down along with the rest of the Trek universe. Browsing through these forums, I know a little about what's in store for the future of the Federation 'n' friends. I don't want to see that interfere with the DS9-R story lines.
I would be perfectly happy if the DS9-R stories would remain seperate from the big upheaval going on in the rest of Trek lit. Those "5 years" don't have to be 'skipped' or 'explained away' or whatever. The DS9-R should be allowed to progress at it's own pace.
The thing I like so much about the Relaunch series is that it focuses on the DS9 universe only (apart from a few minor detours like the Gamma adventures and the Worlds of DS9). It deals with the Bajoran/Cardassian region of space, and the story lines remain true to that.
I don't read the other Trek literature series because DS9 is my main interest, and I would really hate to see the DS9 universe turned upside down along with the rest of the Trek universe. Browsing through these forums, I know a little about what's in store for the future of the Federation 'n' friends. I don't want to see that interfere with the DS9-R story lines.
I would be perfectly happy if the DS9-R stories would remain seperate from the big upheaval going on in the rest of Trek lit. Those "5 years" don't have to be 'skipped' or 'explained away' or whatever. The DS9-R should be allowed to progress at it's own pace.
I know what you mean, but unfortunately it's not happening that way. Rough Beasts of Empire will be a great book. We just have to see how David R. "Doorstop" George III deals with everything.Trekkie[DK];3535090 said:
From Avatar to The Soul Key is... what? A year? Very cluttered time frame.
The series should jump forward. It'll avoid the impression that these characters lives are nothing but one crisis after another after another after another after another.
That said, I'm not thrilled with the idea of DS9's pace being dictated by the pace of other series. If they keep making one DS9 for every five or six TNG/Titan books, DS9 will fall behind again, and have to jump forward again, leaving more storylines dangling.
The series should jump forward. It'll avoid the impression that these characters lives are nothing but one crisis after another after another after another after another.
That said, I'm not thrilled with the idea of DS9's pace being dictated by the pace of other series. If they keep making one DS9 for every five or six TNG/Titan books, DS9 will fall behind again, and have to jump forward again, leaving more storylines dangling.
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