DS9 Episodes- Silly Mistakes, NitPicks, Inaccuracies

[Nightdiamond]

There is something I noticed about Dax and Worf's relationship; Worf showed NO interest in Dax at all in the beginning.

They were friends, had adventures together, but although Dax would make hints, Worf showed no romantic attraction to Dax at all.

In "Looking for Par Machai In All The Wrong Places," Worf was actually in love Grilka, the Female Klingon, whom he had just seen for the first time.

He talks about how striking she is with Dax, and later tries to make a pass at her.

That's not a good sign if you want someone to notice you....

Later, after Grilka rejects Worf, Dax states he should look for someone more obtainable, and even then Worf misses it.

So Dax then lets Worf knows she wants him, and then he responds.

This has been discussed before, but up until now, I really just noticed that Worf was in love with another woman when he and Dax actually became a couple.

It makes the relationship look...odd, wouldn't Dax with so much pride and stubbornness be a little humilated to be overlooked like that, or to be willing to be accepted Worf only after he was rejected by someone else?

Look at how Worf went after Troi...


Also in the episode, Grilka's advisor asks Worf if he ever had a experience with a Klingon Woman, and Worf says no... In T.N.G he did - with Khe'lar.



The device Worf is using to control Quark's movements looks alot like the viewing devices used on Dominion ships, works almost the same way, and fits the same way too, on the shoulders.

 

[PorthosShadow]

Maybe it's just me but I got the impression that Worf and Dax hit it off in their first meeting.

 

[JayOwl]

Dax could've done so much better than worf, Bashir for example. A normal good guy who's a Doctor or..... a bloodthirsty Kilingon; guess which one she picks

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Hah...I think WORF could've done a lot better than Jadzia. Someone who was not constantly making light of his customs, and his beliefs about marriage (her reticence to enter into a binding commitment would've been a red flag to me, if I'd been in his place) and frankly making light of just about everything that came out of his mouth.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Hah...I think WORF could've done a lot better than Jadzia. Someone who was not constantly making light of his customs, and his beliefs about marriage (her reticence to enter into a binding commitment would've been a red flag to me, if I'd been in his place) and frankly making light of just about everything that came out of his mouth.

You know, I'm not so sure about that - K'Ehleyr seemed similar in her attitude to Jadzia, and we know they had feelings for each other. Although she would poke and make fun, at the end of the day, Jadzia had a high respect for Klingon culture, but her respect was for Klingons as they are, not the idealized Klingon culture that Worf aspires to.

 

[DevilEyes]

Hah...I think WORF could've done a lot better than Jadzia. Someone who was not constantly making light of his customs, and his beliefs about marriage (her reticence to enter into a binding commitment would've been a red flag to me, if I'd been in his place) and frankly making light of just about everything that came out of his mouth.

You know, I'm not so sure about that - K'Ehleyr seemed similar in her attitude to Jadzia, and we know they had feelings for each other. Although she would poke and make fun, at the end of the day, Jadzia had a high respect for Klingon culture, but her respect was for Klingons as they are, not the idealized Klingon culture that Worf aspires to.

Yeah. There are quite a few similarities between Jadzia and K'Ehleyr, though Jadzia seemed to care for Klingon traditions more than K'Ehleyr did - I suppose K'Ehleyr had it shoved down her throat while growing up and got sick of it.

And I've said it before, Worf's views are narrow-minded and unrealistic, he really needed someone to gently mock him or call him up on his nonsense.

Ezri did it, too, and had a good influence on him, when she pointed out what the Klingon Empire really was like, and that it was nothing like Worf's idealized view of it. (Mind you, I am in no way suggesting that they were a good pairing They only worked as friends.)

 

[TeutonicNights]

One thing that always bothered me about Emissary.
There is really NO reason there would be so many civilians- or any civilians really- on the Saratoga when the battle started.

And even if there was a reason- why would they send in a weak ship that is obviously crawling with civilians to attack the Borg first?

And about "Apocalyse rising": They are on some secret mission posing as Klingons, and if they are uncovered, everything is over.
And they send Worf, a guy that has fought among Klingons, who is famous (or infamous) to many Klingons, disguised as...Worf?

 

[Sykonee]

One thing that always bothered me about Emissary.
There is really NO reason there would be so many civilians- or any civilians really- on the Saratoga when the battle started.

And even if there was a reason- why would they send in a weak ship that is obviously crawling with civilians to attack the Borg first?

Maybe it was serving as a refugee ship when it got swept up into the Wolf 359 battle.

 

[TeutonicNights]

Maybe it was serving as a refugee ship when it got swept up into the Wolf 359 battle.

Dunno, if it was, why would it be the first to attack?

I mean even if they had to rush to get to the battle site, they could have dropped them off in a shuttle on their way, or right after they arrived.
It makes no sense. In a battle situation you also don't want your crew being busy taking the civilians to the escape pods.

In a remastered version, they could retcon it by making "Position alpha" a safer position further back, but the Borg ship rushing in and attacking the rear guard first.

 

[Nightdiamond]

I got the same impression- they had chemistry. In factbI automatically assumed they were the perfect match, meant for each other etc.

Then I noticed, in that episode, they go from being platonic, to discussing Worf pursing another woman, to making love, to becoming a couple.

That's when I begin to think how odd the relationship was. Worf actually falls in love with Grilka on first sight, pursues her, and Dax even discusses it with Worf.

Dax calmly talks about it with him. Worf doesn't even seem to notice Dax. Then after the rejection, Dax declares her intention, and they go from friends to having sex, just that fast.

Now they're a couple, though there was no courtship, no dates, no romantic feelings-Worf didn't even pursue her-Dax is happy/secure with this?

Dax and Khelar do seem similar in the way they criticized Worf - Worf was way too rigid for either of them.

Not only that, but another coincidence-both were ambassadors to the Klingon empire. They both knew Klingon rituals, only Khelar didn't want to marry Worf, Dax was willing (almost didn't)

I wonder how Counselor Troi would have done if their relationship lasted. He actually went out of his way to pursue her.

I like how Ezri laid down the facts about the Klingons to Worf...


I always thought it was a policy for Starfleet to offload civilians before going into battle situations. I think it basically answers the riddle of whether Starfleet is military or not....

 

[JayOwl]

Well yeh, they wern't really right for each other. Mainly because Worf wasn't your average Klingon, the rest are more friendly

 

[Nightdiamond]

Or Worf was just so rigid. In TNG he was funny. In DS9 he was cool, but really rigid.

I'll make a case for it....

The infamous episode where Worf almost get talked into sabotaging Risa- He's already reluctant to go to a vacation spot, and when he does go, he refuses to have fun, refuses.

But when Worf explains the reason why he behaved that way, I began to understand him. He seemed to change a little, but only a little.



During the war, in one episode, Worf sees Dax for the first time in months. Dax jumps into his arms, Worf acts like a stone, lol. Is this supposed to turn Dax on, realisticly???




The marriage episode was a good example. At this point Dax had to have accepted Worf's attitudes. But at the near last moments, it's "the weddings off" thing, then back on, at the last moment.

If you are calling off a wedding at the last moment, then calling it back on at the last moment, (same day?) isn't that a pretty bad sign for the marriage in general?

There are some things I remember, that really impressed me about Worf. In TNG where Alexander is trapped under some debris, and Worf lifts it with everything he has, or when he risked career to save Dax.

Or the scene when he tells Alexander he is his father and they hug, quite touching if you ask me...

I think there was too mucg sarcasm and bickering between them though, looking back now...

 

[TS-1838-SWATH]

Ack, now that I'm thinking about it more, why would Odo break? Just because he made himself look like glass doesn't mean he made himself into glass.

Actually, at a fundamental level, it does. Odo states in an early episode (I’m sure somebody here will remember which one) that if a shapeshifter disguises itself as a rock and you scan it, your scanner will read it as a rock.

That doesn’t mean he literally becomes a rock. A rock wouldn’t have the ability to change back (or the will to try). There’s still some essence of shapeshifter in there somewhere.

What it does mean is that the imitation can go far beyond color, shape, and texture. They can imitate objects well enough to fool a tricorder. Mimicking an object at the molecular level like that would mean picking up some of its physical properties.

I think that is Also stated in The Search
IIRC Lars became FOG

 

[Nightdiamond]

Why does Odo get knocked unconscious in one episode?

And in another episode, "The Search" also, Dr. Bashir tells Odo he has to share quarters with Quark because the other quarters don't have life support. If Odo doesn't need oxygen or a certain temperature to survive, why would it matter?

WHich brings us to another episode, where Odo is with a Weyoun clone, and is shivering inside the runabout, because they are hiding inside a cold asteroid.....

 

[PSGarak]

Why does Odo get knocked unconscious in one episode?

And in another episode, "The Search" also, Dr. Bashir tells Odo he has to share quarters with Quark because the other quarters don't have life support. If Odo doesn't need oxygen or a certain temperature to survive, why would it matter?

WHich brings us to another episode, where Odo is with a Weyoun clone, and is shivering inside the runabout, because they are hiding inside a cold asteroid.....

Yeah, none of that makes sense given that he was found drifting in space and survived THAT just fine.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Stabbing doesn't seem to affect them, but yet Odo can be knocked unconscious by an object. Yet though stabbing doesn't work, Odo looks alarmed when a Klingon attempts to slice him with Bat'leth...

In "Once More unto the breach" Martok's aid gives him (and the crew) a flask of Bloodwine to drink. Martok at first asks 'on the bridge?', but his aid convinces him to anyway.

Aren't they supposed to go another mission immediately after they meet up with the Defiant? Is that wise?


Since the Rotaran is rushing to the Defiant to outrun the Jem Hadar, why don't they send a coded message to the Defiant to come to them as well?


In Tears of the Prophets, the suicide attacks by the Jem Hadar look scary. Sisko offers to help Martok with his ships. I wonder how Starfleet has been able to handle suicide attacks by the Jem Hadar.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

And in another episode, "The Search" also, Dr. Bashir tells Odo he has to share quarters with Quark because the other quarters don't have life support. If Odo doesn't need oxygen or a certain temperature to survive, why would it matter?

Perhaps it was too difficult for Odo to get to those other quarters without decompressing an adjacent hallway or something.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

It could also be because he has only 18 hours in a particular form, and that when he reverts to his liquid form, exposure to vacuum is not a good idea?

Which brings up the question, when Odo was found in the Denorios Belt, was he inside a container of any sort?

 

[PSGarak]

It could also be because he has only 18 hours in a particular form, and that when he reverts to his liquid form, exposure to vacuum is not a good idea?

Which brings up the question, when Odo was found in the Denorios Belt, was he inside a container of any sort?

I don't think he was. From the impression I got, he was just this little goo sphere they found, thought was some unknown form of matter, and started experimenting on to discover its properties.

 

[carlmarx]

How Many Ships Does It Take To Start A War....

In the Die is Cast, it is said that a fleet of 20 ships is sent to the Gamma Quadrant.

They get wiped out by the jem hadar ambush. Later, a changeling tells Odo that both the Romulans and Cardassian empires are vulnerable;

LOVOK:After today the only real threats to us from the Alpha Quadrant are the Klingons and the Federation. And I doubt either of them will be a threat for much longer.

A question I have is how does destroying only 20 ships make the Romulans and Cardassians less of a threat? And some of those ships were specially constructed by the Obsidian Order - ("The Defiant") which means the main Cardassian fleet was untouched by this event.

I'm sure both powers have much more ships than that to defend their territory, so how can destruction of such a small number of ships make them less of a threat?

Ironically, the very same Romulans would enter the war later, with a full fleet, Obsidian order intact, and turn the tide of the war against the Dominion.

I may be wrong, but I always thought the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar were more like the CIA or KGB. They were like a secret police, rather than a military force. I'd imagine the mission was secret even to the rest of the Romulan Empire or Cardassia, much like CIA bombings of Third World countries. When they say that the Romualns and Cardassians are no longer a threat I take that to mean the entirety of their intelligence agencies were wiped out, leaving them with no "eyes and ears", so to speak.