Dr. Julian Bashir: The Creep of Deep Space Nine
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Yeah, he put his own desires ahead of her needs as a patient. Fobbing her off to another doctor so he can get with her sounds like it should be a big deal
Okay, I guess if you put it that way.
But he was cute in the beginning of the series. Soooooo..... I think I might have been okay with him fobbing me over to the other doctor for my treatment
Apart from a troubling regression in the seventh season's "Chrysalis", Bashir largely develops into a far more interesting, far less creepy, character from the third and especially the fourth seasons forward.
I thought mindwiping Kurn was a terrible choice for the writers. Klingon society is too black and white; the choices are always binary...it would have made more sense for Kurn to take his medicine and either leave Worf "for the good of the Empire" leaving House Mogh and creating House Kurn; or to just go into exile until the regime changed.
I don't take issue with Bashir doing the procedure; he's the doc and it's what they asked him to do.
I don't take issue with Bashir doing the procedure; he's the doc and it's what they asked him to do.
Yeah, that was Sarina. Even though he wasn't her Doctor it was still ridiculously creepy. She's lived her entire life in a near-catatinic state, after the operation she can't even speak properly because she've never even done that before, and yet he thinks she's ready for a full on relationship?
I hate Jadzia and Worf together. Once he shows up she loses any story development that's not explicitly about their relationship, and she morphs into this Klingon wannabee, losing her own interesting identity. Ironically though, I found Worf's dynamic with Ezri a lot more interesting because she doesn't lose herself with him. She has the backbone to disagree with him when he needs to hear it. Ezri with Julian to me felt forced, a little bit of a pair the spares going on, although they work better in the novels.
Didn't Ezri say to Julian at some point that if Worf had not come along she(as Jadzia) would have fallen for him?
Yep, in Afterimage. Pretty much the first thing she says to Bashir when they first meet.
Did you or anyone else believe that or was it Ezri basically soft pedaling her rejecting Julian-"I totally would have fallen for your charms if Worf hadn't swept me off my feet when he came to the station."
Because I don't recall any hint ever that Jadzia was considering or was becoming more partial to acquiescing to him.
Because I don't recall any hint ever that Jadzia was considering or was becoming more partial to acquiescing to him.
It did seem a bit out of the blue, but I always took it as Ezri's nervous babbling things she shouldn't rather than an easy rejection.
I did empathize with Bashir when it showed his jealousy and near despair when it came to Jadzia and Worf. . Both in the game with Quark and the episode when Jadzia died-he's literally remarking that he will never find true happiness. To me that was very poignant and relateable.
How is that crossing a line? They're not allowed to "tell secrets" of previous hosts now?
IN what way? By waiting until Ezri was stable in her new life before even trying for a relationship? Or by waiting until it was absolutely clear that she and Worf were not going to pursue a new relationship?
Their relationship became almost exclusively friendship after season one. That's not to say he wouldn't have still been interested, but Bashir did not keep trying to win her over in that fashion.
This crossing the line was mostly referring to her and Worf shacking up when they've been kidnapped by the Breen (reassociation is banned and punishable by exile), but in terms of crossing the line socially by introducing yourself to a new/old friend who is still mourning your previous host and having a weird time adjusting to you being here.
It's not a question of him waiting, it's a question of whether he was attracted to the real Ezri, or the part of Jadzia that lived on in Ezri.
OK, "pine for" might have been a strong way of putting it, but his interest was always still there, whether he acted on it and tried to win her over or not.
With the LaForge-Brahms thread in the other section, it occurs to me, the creators like doing the unlucky-in-love types and sure it's a limitless source of petit-drama and cute character moments. But they also -- with the British accent -- tried to give him a light whiff of the James Bond charm -- with cheeky moments in the infirmary.
He never comes across to me as creepy exactly. The only real complaint I have with what they did with Bashir was all the augment stuff after the augment-episode. He becomes fairly morose and miserable alot of the time after that episode.
He never comes across to me as creepy exactly. The only real complaint I have with what they did with Bashir was all the augment stuff after the augment-episode. He becomes fairly morose and miserable alot of the time after that episode.
I imagine because Siddig was no longer very happy with it.
I have to disagree he is a skirt chaser but he isn't vapid or superficial not at heart. No one bemoans to their opponent in a very complicated game "will I ever find true happiness and companionship" f there superficial.
Him moping with Quark about Jadzia and Worf having a child was also very relateable-a part of him even to her last breath was hoping her marriage with Worf wouldn't last and he would be available.
That's not the most saintly quality and it might even reflect poorly on his "friendship" with her but it is a very human and relateable sentiment.
I have to disagree he is a skirt chaser but he isn't vapid or superficial not at heart. No one bemoans to their opponent in a very complicated game "will I ever find true happiness and companionship" f there superficial.
Him moping with Quark about Jadzia and Worf having a child was also very relateable-a part of him even to her last breath was hoping her marriage with Worf wouldn't last and he would be available.
That's not the most saintly quality and it might even reflect poorly on his "friendship" with her but it is a very human and relateable sentiment.
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Only he could tell us that. But based on the fact that it was nearly a year before he realized that he loved Ezri (and earlier very specifically telling Quark that Ezri was not Jadzia), I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Early on he does try to find out if he feels that way about the Jadzia part of Ezri, only to have the "It would have been you" admission dumped in his lap, and it seems to bring him back to reality. The scene ends (and Bashir mentions this later) with them as friends. They stay that way for the majority of season seven.
So was Ezri genuine when she said "it would have been you."?
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