Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors
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Ah, I thought you meant that area directly beyond the opened viewscreen.
Now that is a very likely possibility (good catch), given the window shapes and the multi ridged framework. But from what I've read over the years, a significant portion of the decor in that link to the simulator lobby screen shot (with the astro globe, and the pretty ferns and vines dangling from decorative stone frames and columns) was actually a scale miniature filmed at a very precise angle and distance from the camera to make it appear to be part of the larger set. I'm not entirely certain what's miniatures and what's set though. still, it's not likely any of it came from the Klingon bridge/torpedo bay set.
Actually, I was talking about out here.
Ah, I thought you meant that area directly beyond the opened viewscreen.
Now that is a very likely possibility (good catch), given the window shapes and the multi ridged framework. But from what I've read over the years, a significant portion of the decor in that link to the simulator lobby screen shot (with the astro globe, and the pretty ferns and vines dangling from decorative stone frames and columns) was actually a scale miniature filmed at a very precise angle and distance from the camera to make it appear to be part of the larger set. I'm not entirely certain what's miniatures and what's set though. still, it's not likely any of it came from the Klingon bridge/torpedo bay set.
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IIRC, the lobby was the forced-perspective foreground miniature, but the corridor was life-sized (we see Kirk and Spock walk down it, along with the guy cleaning the floor).
IIRC, the lobby was the forced-perspective foreground miniature, but the corridor was life-sized (we see Kirk and Spock walk down it, along with the guy cleaning the floor).
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You mean here?
I always thought there was something a little off about the globe, but I could never quite put my finger on it. It's not really sitting on the floor that Kirk and Spock are standing on, even though it's supposed to look like it is, right?
You mean here?
I always thought there was something a little off about the globe, but I could never quite put my finger on it. It's not really sitting on the floor that Kirk and Spock are standing on, even though it's supposed to look like it is, right?
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It probably is better just to ignore bays three and four, though I have always wondered where you could fit a couple of aft tubes on the refit Enterprise. The original USS Defiant had them, so why wouldn't a refit Enterprise?
Precisely the article I was thinking of! Thanks for linking to it, I enjoyed reading it again after all these years.Looking good! So is this going to be torpedo bay 4?
What's the plan for that anyway?
Ack. Without opening up a huge debate, this will be Torp Bay 2 with Torp Bay 1 (identical to this one, but flipped) just to starboard of this one. This realistically would not fit within the confines of the hull structure, but it's the only way IMO to reconcile the signage we see on-screen.
Torp Bays 3 and 4? Well, we're going to pretend those just don't exist, or that you just can't access them in my little virtual walkthrough here.
This was one of my favorite articles back when I was actively writing for the site...
Fascinating Trek Mysteries: The Torpedo Bays of the NCC-1701
It probably is better just to ignore bays three and four, though I have always wondered where you could fit a couple of aft tubes on the refit Enterprise. The original USS Defiant had them, so why wouldn't a refit Enterprise?
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Yes, that's the one. The globe is resting on a base on the floor, and the color of the base seems to blend in with the color of the floor, so it does have a kind of "floaty" appearance. What I love about this shot is that the floatiness of the globe aside, it's really really hard to tell what is model and what is set. That's some damn good work, and a good 15+ years before you could effectively do that stuff with CG.
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Yeah, those old techniques stand the test of time. I'm sure there's a similar shot in Citizen Kane.
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That technique goes waaaay back before Kane. It's used to great effect in the 1925 silent version of Ben Hur for instance.
That technique goes waaaay back before Kane. It's used to great effect in the 1925 silent version of Ben Hur for instance.
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The movie "Aliens" in 1986 also used that technique for a shot where the camera tilts down from a ceiling. The ceiling was miniature with guys moving flashlights around on it to simulate the shoulder lights the characters wore. It's in the documentary on the DVD.
The movie "Aliens" in 1986 also used that technique for a shot where the camera tilts down from a ceiling. The ceiling was miniature with guys moving flashlights around on it to simulate the shoulder lights the characters wore. It's in the documentary on the DVD.
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Sorry bout that. It's fixed.
Which aliens?
Sorry bout that. It's fixed.
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Pretty sure the area outside the Academy bridge simulator was part of the TMP Klingon Bridge. The light fixtures above the panels are identical to the ones seen in the K'Tinga bridge/ Refit torpedo bay, and the angles of the panel cutaways are definitely more on the alien side of things.
[EDIT]: Actually, yep. You can see the wall in question just beyond and to the right of the greenish display screen to the left of the image:
Pretty sure the area outside the Academy bridge simulator was part of the TMP Klingon Bridge. The light fixtures above the panels are identical to the ones seen in the K'Tinga bridge/ Refit torpedo bay, and the angles of the panel cutaways are definitely more on the alien side of things.
[EDIT]: Actually, yep. You can see the wall in question just beyond and to the right of the greenish display screen to the left of the image:
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It's an obsession, really. Since I was a kid, I have been fascinated with the sets of Star Trek. Sometimes it's hard for me to get lost in episodes because I'm too busy studying the sets so closely, or in the back of my head I'm figuring out how to model the sets in 3D.
I honestly don't know how you people catch some of this stuff! So all I'll say is "Amazing work!"
It's an obsession, really. Since I was a kid, I have been fascinated with the sets of Star Trek. Sometimes it's hard for me to get lost in episodes because I'm too busy studying the sets so closely, or in the back of my head I'm figuring out how to model the sets in 3D.
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It never would have occurred to me that purpose-built sets would have been kept around for as long as they were, especially the TMP bridge and corridors.
I know the bridge was redressed many times until it was no longer recognizable (or usable), but were those basic corridors and others, like the transporter room, the same ones used in TNG and VOY?
If so, that's a long time for sets to stand that were basically intended to be disposable.
It never would have occurred to me that purpose-built sets would have been kept around for as long as they were, especially the TMP bridge and corridors.
I know the bridge was redressed many times until it was no longer recognizable (or usable), but were those basic corridors and others, like the transporter room, the same ones used in TNG and VOY?
If so, that's a long time for sets to stand that were basically intended to be disposable.
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Most (if not all) were eventually struck after Voyager though. Enterprise got all new sets I believe.
Yep!
Yep again! Though extensive changes (just like the bridge) would happen between and during the series. More was probably altered for Voyager after TNG's run than occurred for TNG after they took it over from the movies. Voyager was probably just rebuilt from the barest of TNG's bones, but definitely used the same floor plan and some significantly large design elements.
Most (if not all) were eventually struck after Voyager though. Enterprise got all new sets I believe.
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It's a shame they couldn't preserve the sets somewhere. That was a significantly enduring piece of television history.
It's a shame they couldn't preserve the sets somewhere. That was a significantly enduring piece of television history.
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IIRC, the underlying framework of the sets dated back to Phase II and was in bad shape by the time Voyager ended. 23 years, seven films, and 300+ TV episodes is a pretty incredible run.
IIRC, the underlying framework of the sets dated back to Phase II and was in bad shape by the time Voyager ended. 23 years, seven films, and 300+ TV episodes is a pretty incredible run.
