Any idea about the images on the Ilia Probe scan, @Rick Sternbach?Yeah, I got nuthin'.My actual published artwork didn't show up in Trek until TNG. - Rick
EDIT: Disregard. I found the answer below.
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EDIT: Disregard. I found the answer below.
They probably didn't show peeling back the layers because the removal of the first one would have changed the rating of the film.
Man, I'm in love with being able to work on my personal projects on my lunch breaks 
Got the greeble below what I've decided are storage cubicles done today. Instead of modeling all those circular holes, I've employed displacement maps (which are much quicker and cheaper to generate) to give the illusion of modeled depth.
If I do end up envisioning a pharmacy/medicine storage area, I'll probably have rows of these storage units in a room. I feel that there's a unit in each examination room for easy access of commonly used medicines, but the back-stock of medicines would be elsewhere.
Got the greeble below what I've decided are storage cubicles done today. Instead of modeling all those circular holes, I've employed displacement maps (which are much quicker and cheaper to generate) to give the illusion of modeled depth.
If I do end up envisioning a pharmacy/medicine storage area, I'll probably have rows of these storage units in a room. I feel that there's a unit in each examination room for easy access of commonly used medicines, but the back-stock of medicines would be elsewhere.
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Whatever those compartments are they must have been some stock element because I've seen them in other movies and shows, as I think we discussed at some point here.Man, I'm in love with being able to work on my personal projects on my lunch breaks
Got the greeble below what I've decided are storage cubicles done today. Instead of modeling all those circular holes, I've employed displacement maps (which are much quicker and cheaper to generate) to give the illusion of modeled depth.
If I do end up envisioning a pharmacy/medicine storage area, I'll probably have rows of these storage units in a room. I feel that there's a unit in each examination room for easy access of commonly used medicines, but the back-stock of medicines would be elsewhere.
For comparison, and to once again hit home why I'm doing these "remasters" of existing sets....here is my old version of this greeble panel from my 2014 build:
Compared to the new version:
You see, the first version looks very "gamey": the texture is very flat, the baked-in ambient occlusion (shadowing) is far too strong, the base color is too dark, and the illumination/emissive texture is flat, non-dynamic, and the gradient is too strong. In the new version, the shadowing is softer, the texture has depth, the base color is white instead of beige, and the light from the illumination is brighter the more directly into the camera it is.
NOTE: The purple-tint of the old version, however, is accurate to the TWOK verison of the set. The yellow/greenish tint of the new render is accurate to the TMP set. I'll be doing both versions in my new build.
Oh, and the more obvious difference is the fact that there's one row of greeble panels rather than two, as I'm now convinced there was only one row on the set. I can't find any image to confirm this 100%, as all my references, there is only the top row in camera frame. But some images do dip just a hair lower than the bottom edge of the greeble panel, and it would appear there isn't another row beneath it.
Compared to the new version:
You see, the first version looks very "gamey": the texture is very flat, the baked-in ambient occlusion (shadowing) is far too strong, the base color is too dark, and the illumination/emissive texture is flat, non-dynamic, and the gradient is too strong. In the new version, the shadowing is softer, the texture has depth, the base color is white instead of beige, and the light from the illumination is brighter the more directly into the camera it is.
NOTE: The purple-tint of the old version, however, is accurate to the TWOK verison of the set. The yellow/greenish tint of the new render is accurate to the TMP set. I'll be doing both versions in my new build.
Oh, and the more obvious difference is the fact that there's one row of greeble panels rather than two, as I'm now convinced there was only one row on the set. I can't find any image to confirm this 100%, as all my references, there is only the top row in camera frame. But some images do dip just a hair lower than the bottom edge of the greeble panel, and it would appear there isn't another row beneath it.
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BTW, a little bird told me he thinks the graphics of the Ilia Probe scan came out the art department, possibly starting from real medical imagery, and possibly the work of Lee Cole, and that I ought to check her Starlog interview and maybe Return to Tomorrow.
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Wow, the set has a real 2001 vibe in this state.
I was thinking that myself.
You should stick a monolith or a Star Child on one of the monitors.
Or put Frank Poole on a med bed...wait, already done that.You should stick a monolith or a Star Child on one of the monitors.
(ref. @Gary Mitchell
)
That's quite a bird. Not a Great Bird, of course.
Well, it wasn't Sternbach who pointed that out.
Anyway, here's the answer about the medical images of Ilia.
[Lee Cole] “There were times when we had to work half the night and Saturday and Sunday, too. One of my favorite pieces of work in the film was the medical scanning effect that flashes on the large, screen when McCoy scans Ilia and discovers that she is a robot. We had to get that one done in one weekend. Mike Minor and I did that on a Sunday afternoon. The room wasn’t air conditioned and it felt like it was 200 degrees. I brought in a big pile of x-rays and he started working on the x-ray effects from that. I couldn’t actually get thermograms to work from so I had to fake it. I did a painting of an infra-red scan of her body and we added other scans on top of it to futurize it. The finished effect is a super-scan: a number of scans done simultaneously. One band shows a thermogram, the other shows her blinking and winking circuitry. That work took us through to Monday night.”
"Designing the 23rd Century", Ed Naha, FUTURE LIFE #17. March 1980, p.81.
"Designing the 23rd Century", Ed Naha, FUTURE LIFE #17. March 1980, p.81.
Links ^^^
There are a few pix in the article.
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That almost looks like a prototype for the wrist communicator Capt. Terrell used in TWOK.
From the owner: "It’s a piece that was made for Phase II, my earliest encounter was in the mid 90’s at conventions on display with other original props. It came up for sale almost 10years ago and I acquired it."
Well, chalk up another great feat by Lee Cole! Thanks for the finding, @Maurice!Well, it wasn't Sternbach who pointed that out.
Anyway, here's the answer about the medical images of Ilia.
[Lee Cole] “There were times when we had to work half the night and Saturday and Sunday, too. One of my favorite pieces of work in the film was the medical scanning effect that flashes on the large, screen when McCoy scans Ilia and discovers that she is a robot. We had to get that one done in one weekend. Mike Minor and I did that on a Sunday afternoon. The room wasn’t air conditioned and it felt like it was 200 degrees. I brought in a big pile of x-rays and he started working on the x-ray effects from that. I couldn’t actually get thermograms to work from so I had to fake it. I did a painting of an infra-red scan of her body and we added other scans on top of it to futurize it. The finished effect is a super-scan: a number of scans done simultaneously. One band shows a thermogram, the other shows her blinking and winking circuitry. That work took us through to Monday night.”
"Designing the 23rd Century", Ed Naha, FUTURE LIFE #17. March 1980, p.81.
Links ^^^
There are a few pix in the article.
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Can you point out the source?
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In terms of the Ilia stuff, I did the static silkscreen art for the yellow-green bed she was on, and that was about it. I did do the ink art for the regular bed monitors, which actually lasted up through early TNG.
- Rick
Do you remember (roughly) when those bed monitors changed? I thought they were the same graphics (though maybe with different colored gels) all the way from TMP through Generations.I did do the ink art for the regular bed monitors, which actually lasted up through early TNG.
