Donny's Refit Enterprise Interiors (Version 2.0)

[Mytran]

Finished up the second auxiliary console on the Reliant tonight. Again, most of the text is conjecture based on what was legible.


And with that, work on the Reliant bridge is complete. I must say, I think this one is my favorite of the bunch. I just love the colors and those auxiliary consoles.. Here's a couple teaser screens of the finished bridge.


(Those Reliant graphics at the D&R station are obviously not the modified Connie graphics we see in the film, but are in fact actual Miranda-class graphics. However, they are not "Phase II"-style renditions like I'd originally planned to match the Enterprise damage control station's graphical sytle, basically because I'm tired . I just used readily available Miranda schematics)

More showcase screens of the Reliant bridge to follow once I finish up the final bridge: the Grissom!

Fabulous! The Reliant Bridge holds the honour of being the first serious re-dress of the bridge set and still holds up really well. Your images more than do it justice

 

[Bernard Guignard]

If I may make a suggestion. Cygnus has some nice miranda blueprints that could be made up into these graphics. the secondary hull could be a zoom in on a miranda shuttle bay the circular should be a deck showing the miranda shape.

 

[Tomalak]

You are forgiven.

One question though: What's the schematic on the right supposed to represent? Looks like a Constitution-class secondary hull the Reliant doesn't have.

I'm ok with this! The graphics are unmistakably present on the Reliant bridge, so we will just have to assume they *really* refer to something else in this context.

Looks amazing Donny, can't wait to see the Grissom.

 

[Henoch]

I think it's just the unfinished main viewer with a bluescreen outside and some equipment behind the screen casting shadows on it, since it's backlit.

I at first thought that, too, but I notice an angle break on the wall exactly where the woman is standing:

Could be a camera lens effect. Could be unfinished construction (based on incomplete frame). Might be slightly curved. Any case, it's huge.

 

[Workbee]

@137th Gebirg is correct. For the Stargazer/Season One battle bridge, the lighted panel is covered with a cross, or "X"
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x21/thearsenaloffreedom_hd_594.jpg

(ahh, sorry Gebirg! I didn't notice you'd already updated your post with the TWOK screencap!)

I wonder if they cut that hole in order to film the overhead crane shot in TMP when the Enterprise leaves drydock. I knot that by and large they filmed the bridge scenes sequentially (according to Checkov’s Enterprise”, by if that one shot was a pickup at the end with just Shatner, it would explain why it wasn’t visible in the rest of the movie.

It could just as easily be to allow more lighting into the bridge for certain scenes. Though ironically TMP was the film they had the most problems with lighting the set and probably would have benefitted the most from additional access point.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Unlikely, as that hole did not exist in any TMP scenes. TWOK appears to be the first appearance of that disc/light. Unless, of course, that single overhead POV was the absolute last shot to be filmed and the hole was cut for that and not filled in until the very first shot of TWOK. That's a stretch, though.

And I agree with you on the Reliant bridge, [B]@Donny[/B]. After seeing it in better lighting and taken in as a whole, I do think I prefer with the color decisions the set designers made with that bridge. I've always loved the subdued tan/pale blue palette combination when used in everyday things. Seeing it here really gives it a nice earth-tone atmosphere, as opposed to the stark monochrome gray of the Enterprise, particularly in its TMP clothing.

 

[Donny]

You are forgiven.

One question though: What's the schematic on the right supposed to represent? Looks like a Constitution-class secondary hull the Reliant doesn't have.

Ahh dammit! I’d meant to change that one as well but....forgot. Ha. It’s weird how embarrassed I am about that.

 

[Maurice]

I wonder if they cut that hole in order to film the overhead crane shot in TMP when the Enterprise leaves drydock. I knot that by and large they filmed the bridge scenes sequentially (according to Checkov’s Enterprise”, by if that one shot was a pickup at the end with just Shatner, it would explain why it wasn’t visible in the rest of the movie.

No, because that shot is done with a mirror.

 

[Donny]

No, because that shot is done with a mirror.

Ah so that’s why that shot is flipped!

If I may make a suggestion. Cygnus has some nice miranda blueprints that could be made up into these graphics. the secondary hull could be a zoom in on a miranda shuttle bay the circular should be a deck showing the miranda shape.

Thanks! Funny, I’ve never seen those deck plans before, and they’ll work perfectly for those displays.

 

[Maurice]

Ah so that’s why that shot is flipped!

Yes. They sewed Kirk's badge on the opposite side to mask what they were doing, but the other details (and the fact that the badge itself is flopped) are the giveaway.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The shot in question:

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=63602&fullsize=1
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=584&page=2

 

[GNDN18]

Ah so that’s why that shot is flipped!

Yes. They sewed Kirk's badge on the opposite side to mask what they were doing, but the other details (and the fact that the badge itself is flopped) are the giveaway.

That Robert Wise was the king of old-school film making, wasn't he?

That's what I love about this thread: I'm always learning something new.

 

[Donny]

Yes. They sewed Kirk's badge on the opposite side to mask what they were doing, but the other details (and the fact that the badge itself is flopped) are the giveaway.

Did they not have the ability to flip the actual film during editing back in those days?

Forgive me. My knowledge of film editing is rather limited.

Also, note how close the captain is to the astrogator in that shot, showing how in TMP the helm was much closer to the captain than in TWOK-onward.

 

[Maurice]

They could have easily flipped the shot, but I guess they figured why bother going to the trouble when they could get it in camera? No one noticed in the theater (image link).

 

[Donny]

They could have easily flipped the shot, but I guess they figured why bother going to the trouble when they could get it in camera? No one noticed in the theater (image link).

Yeah, it's totally something that I don't think anyone would've noticed until repeat viewings.

 

[Tomalak]

Huh, that's new to me too. I love this thread!

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I don't think I ever noticed that the Captain's chair was a different color than the other bridge chairs before!

 

[Rusty0918]

I never noticed that mirrored image of Kirk before; the angle was there for a second or two and not many would have noticed it.

I do remember they had to do some special camera tricks for shooting on the bridge in TMP as mentioned in the text commentary of the movie, such as a "split diopter" or something to deal with lighting issues. This was mostly due to the filmloop projectors which they swapped for video screens in TWOK.

I do wonder if the monitors in "2001: A Space Odyssey" were done the same way, with filmloop projectors.

 

[Maurice]

I do remember they had to do some special camera tricks for shooting on the bridge in TMP as mentioned in the text commentary of the movie, such as a "split diopter" or something to deal with lighting issues...

The split-diopter is used to allow two different focal planes to occur in the same frame. Here's what one looks like (link to image). They needed to use this because the dimness of the 16mm projectors required low lighting levels on the set. Low lighting = shallow depth of field.

Here's a page about split diopter shots with tons of examples (link).

...This was mostly due to the filmloo[p] projectors which they swapped for video screens in TWOK.

I do wonder if the monitors in "2001: A Space Odyssey" were done the same way, with filmloop projectors.

Yes, but Kubrick/Unsworth don't seem to have had as many issues with it as Wise/Klein did.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Of course it's very different circumstances (Meyer/Rescher working with an inherited set; Hyams having to rebuild the Discovery sets from scratch 16 years later), but I think it's interesting that they went with CRT monitors in 2010 rather than trying to use the rear-projected film loops again.