Donny's Refit Enterprise Interiors (Version 2.0)
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Wait, what? Was there a discrepancy with his uniform?
[EDIT] Ahhh. The blood stain is slightly higher and different in the very next scene after Preston’s death. Ha. Now someone points out to ME something i’d never noticed!
The more you know.
Ah, but you've been focused upon the interiors, recreating them with such exacting fidelity as to rip asunder the minds of even the most demanding fans. I believe we should forgive you for missing a discrepancy of costume continuity.
I can lay it on thick, can't I?
I can lay it on thick, can't I?
Probably due to because of time or budget limitations. We could speculate that it was a result of story changes. Since the damage control graphic was realized on set (as opposed to an insert shot on miniatures like the communications display discussed above), it would have needed to be prepared in advance of filming. The lead time might have reaiired it to be prepared before final script and/or storyboards of the attack sequence were available. If, for example, they created the graphic based on an earlier version of the script where Spock died near the halfway point, the intent then might have been for the Enterprise to sustain heavier damage to “necessitate” Spock sacrificing himself to restore whatever systems he would have fixed). When they pushed back Spock’s death to the end, additional battle damage scenes were needed for the back half so damage during the initial attack would have been scaled back to allow additional damage to still be impactful.
In universe - I rationalize the difference by assuming that initially some of the damage Kahn inflicted was not visually apparent to the naked eye, and what we see in TSFS is the result of accumulated degradation of ruptured hill panels, delayed chemical reactions with some of the gasses in the nebula, and whatever rudimentary repairs they were able to effect on their own. Some of the damage on the secondary hull looked almost like metal plating that had been crudely welded on top of the hull. Flying around the the nebula with shields down might have eroded much of the surface “enamel” of the hull, leaving parts of the hull exposed and susceptible to cosmetic “space burns” from various sources of radiation. Had the ship survived in TSFS, these black marks would have progressively gotten worse until the hull was properly re-treated. At least that’s how I rationalize it in my head.
Actually, I did, but not because of home video. I just saw the film a few times and remembered where the ship was hit.
As to the damage indicated on the readouts, I suspect a lot of that is systems that got blown out in the attack.
It's also true that certain effects stand out far more on home video than they ever did in the theatre. Just look at those garbage mattes in older released of Star Wars prior to the Special Editions. I have no memory of seeing the film in the theatre in 1977, but I've been told that those mattes were NOT visible int he theatrical release. It has something to do with the color-space of film vs. video.
Spent the weekend, as planned, knocking out all the greebles that were added to the bridge in TWOK. Each station had at least one greeble added to it. A series of the greebles (on the communications station and underneath the security, environment, and damage control consoles) appear to have been made from molds of a variety of plastic containers which held compact cassette tapes and cylindrical filmstrip containers. I'd always had this suspicion, and I measured it out and indeed the impressions in the molds are the correct dimensions for both compact cassettes and 1.5" diameter filmstrip canisters. Perhaps from a supplier of educational filmstrips?
Also, in TWOK, the greebles were are adorned with a variety of labels, mostly saying techie sounding words like "Modulator Adjustment", "Logic Control Separator", "Freq 35", "Function Programmer", "Auxiliary Function Changeover", and the like. Most of the labels I couldn't make out in screencaps, so I had to make up similar words. I was sure to use those key canon labels I could make out though. These labels were either removed for TSFS or painted over when the bridge was painted a lighter scheme for that movie.
I painstakingly made sure to get every detail on these greebles correct, as far as references would allow. Whew. Three straight days of work! But glad to have it out of the way so I can now focus on remodeling the chairs. And with that, here's the first pass on the TMP captain's chair:
Also, in TWOK, the greebles were are adorned with a variety of labels, mostly saying techie sounding words like "Modulator Adjustment", "Logic Control Separator", "Freq 35", "Function Programmer", "Auxiliary Function Changeover", and the like. Most of the labels I couldn't make out in screencaps, so I had to make up similar words. I was sure to use those key canon labels I could make out though. These labels were either removed for TSFS or painted over when the bridge was painted a lighter scheme for that movie.
I painstakingly made sure to get every detail on these greebles correct, as far as references would allow. Whew. Three straight days of work! But glad to have it out of the way so I can now focus on remodeling the chairs. And with that, here's the first pass on the TMP captain's chair:
That is the only Captain's chair that I would enjoy having full size in my man cave
too bad no one has ever reproduced it. I even find it funny that no one has tried
to do a Cad version in sketchup of her
too bad no one has ever reproduced it. I even find it funny that no one has tried
to do a Cad version in sketchup of her
So are you going to have a toggle on/off for the no smoking sign? 
Nice job on the greebles. Because of the SUPER GREEBLES in the ceiling they all fit right in.
And the chair looks terrific.
I wonder if that chair is comfortable.
Nice job on the greebles. Because of the SUPER GREEBLES in the ceiling they all fit right in.
And the chair looks terrific.
Yeah, for all the love the TOS bridge gets and even to a much lesser extent the TNG bridge, it's too bad you never see this one. (I can't complain, I don't build squat.)
I wonder if that chair is comfortable.
I knew from my experience with my aunt and uncle in the 70s and early 80s that those greebles were cassette holders, but I had no idea that the circular bits were for filmstrips until recently. Upon learning this I've found several sets of these film and audio sets, but have only seen the cardboard holders with the cassettes layered over each other and not the vacuformed plastic inserts.
Great start on that chair!
I have an idea of how I'd approach building one of those chairs as, say, an office chair but I need to develop my idea further. Until recently, both colors of the fabric were readily available. Now, only the grey of the Captain's chair is and the brownish/copperish color of the crew chairs is not available anymore. We're talking months here, not years. Makes me sad I wasn't able to purchase a good length of it when I first saw it.
BTW, the fabric is called PowerNet and is a lycra material (yes, bra material).
Great start on that chair!
I have an idea of how I'd approach building one of those chairs as, say, an office chair but I need to develop my idea further. Until recently, both colors of the fabric were readily available. Now, only the grey of the Captain's chair is and the brownish/copperish color of the crew chairs is not available anymore. We're talking months here, not years. Makes me sad I wasn't able to purchase a good length of it when I first saw it.
BTW, the fabric is called PowerNet and is a lycra material (yes, bra material).
Ahhh, Gene.
Some things never change! 
I feel like an idiot for never noticing some of those CLEARLY VISIBLE greeblie units were based upon cassette packing slots! Merciful Mogg, it's so obvious now!
I fear I'd better turn in my fan badge.
Fun Fact:
Geordi's Engineering Case is based around a speaker and personal cassette player case I actually owned as a kid. It was designed to velcro in the cassette player, then you plugged in the speakers to the headphone jack and the whole thing worked on either 4 D or C cell batteries.
They basically repainted the exterior and slapped some foam in it and called it good. Imagine seeing that when you're 11 or 12 and being like 'HEY! I have that!'
From what I understand there was a cassette carrying case that used the exact same exterior.
But glad to have it out of the way so I can now focus on remodeling the chairs. And with that, here's the first pass on the TMP captain's chair:
It looks like a photograph taken on the actual set. Amazing job!
I'm going to add "Bridge Simulator" to my list of TMP-TWOK-era bridges I'm going to render (eventually), even though the only differences between the simulator and the actual Refit Enterprise bridge are the no smoking signs and the fact that they swapped out the yellow "heavy-duty" fire extinguishers with the red-striped ones. It would be fun to make a removable viewscreen "door" and the stretch of hallways and atrium of Starfleet Academy outside of the simulator, but of course this will all come at a later date if so.So are you going to have a toggle on/off for the no smoking sign?
God, my list of to-dos is growing every day.
Something tells me....nah.
But who knows? You know, my google expedition turned up images of plastic audio cassette binders:
But I couldn't find any plastic shells with both audio cassette inserts and 35mm filmstrip containers, unless they were the ones you mentioned where the cassettes were stacked diagonally or vertically.
I also don't remember if I read somewhere (perhaps Mike Okuda's text commentary on TWOK?) that tipped me off that those greebles were in fact molds of cassette storage containers, or if I figured it out myself years ago when doing my initial TWOK renders with ancient game engines.
Thanks for the info on the material!
I'm going to add "Bridge Simulator" to my list of TMP-TWOK-era bridges I'm going to render (eventually), even though the only differences between the simulator and the actual Refit Enterprise bridge are the no smoking signs and the fact that they swapped out the yellow "heavy-duty" fire extinguishers with the red-striped ones. It would be fun to make a removable viewscreen "door" and the stretch of hallways and atrium of Starfleet Academy outside of the simulator, but of course this will all come at a later date if so.
God, my list of to-dos is growing every day.
Something tells me....nah.
You know, my google expedition turned up images of plastic audio cassette binders:
But I couldn't find any plastic shells with both audio cassette inserts and 35mm filmstrip containers, unless they were the ones you mentioned where the cassettes were stacked diagonally or vertically.
I also don't remember if I read somewhere (perhaps Mike Okuda's text commentary on TWOK?) that tipped me off that those greebles were in fact molds of cassette storage containers, or if I figured it out myself years ago when doing my initial TWOK renders with ancient game engines.
Thanks for the info on the material!
Yes, the bottom holders are the only ones that I've been able to find, but I do see now that they're plastic. Well, I have found others in cardboard, but like these, the tapes are staggered.
