Done with Star Trek?

[Squiggy]

Very little of Roddenberry's initial idea existed after he handed over the day-to-day oversight. The only reason Enterprise was in the same universe is because it involved a spaceship named Enterprise in the future. Pretty much everything else about it contradicted something Roddenberry himself produced.

Care to back that up?

The Romulan War was fought with primitive atomic weapons and the ships didn't have any view screens. The Vulcans were xenophobic dicks. Etc etc.

Honestly, if you're going to quote, quote accurately:

Mr. Spock: "As you may recall from your histories, this conflict was fought, by our standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels ..."

(ie who know what type of 'atomic weapons' (if any) are used by StarFleet in the 23rd century - but nothing shown on ENT contraduicted this particular line.)

Mr. Spock: "Which allowed no quarter, no captives. Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication. Therefore, no human, Romulan, or ally has ever seen the other."

(Spock states: "Nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication." That doesn't mean 'no Viewscreens' per se. He also talks about 'allies' and prior to ENT there was plenty of fan fiction that had the Vulcans, and other founding member races as Earth allies during the war; so hell, in that context, the line - "Therefore, no human, Romulan, or ally has ever seen the other.")

Lastly, TOS itself is chock full of internal dialog contradictions - and this was while GR was in charge of the show. My point, if you're going io try and crucify later productions for 'contradicting something Roddenberry himself produced...'(paraphrased); you might want to start with the fact he effectively contradicted himself on a regular basis on the original Star Trek itself.

I wasn't quoting. Thanks though.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

^Way to completely ignore the point, Squiggy...typical though...

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I don't care. Institutional Christianity has spent two millenia contradicting what Jesus said; why should Hollywood do better with a skiffy entertainment franchise?

No, it's spent the last two millenia not allowing outside forces to reshape the faith into a form that is no longer a threat to them...just like some fans refuse to allow you modernists to reshape TOS into an image that supports YOUR interpretation at the expense of the truth.

 

[Squiggy]

^Way to completely ignore the point, Squiggy...typical though...

What point? How my original point still stands and is now backed up with direct quotes instead of something off the top of my head?

Go on and tell me how that's "typical".

I don't care. Institutional Christianity has spent two millenia contradicting what Jesus said; why should Hollywood do better with a skiffy entertainment franchise?

No, it's spent the last two millenia not allowing outside forces to reshape the faith into a form that is no longer a threat to them...just like some fans refuse to allow you modernists to reshape TOS into an image that supports YOUR interpretation at the expense of the truth.

So Methodists have been around for 2000 years?

Outside forces reshaped the FUCK out of Christianity about 500 years ago. You probably belong to one of those denominations.

Martin Luther. Henry VIII. Look 'em up.

 

[Greg Cox]

I don't care. Institutional Christianity has spent two millenia contradicting what Jesus said; why should Hollywood do better with a skiffy entertainment franchise?

No, it's spent the last two millenia not allowing outside forces to reshape the faith into a form that is no longer a threat to them...just like some fans refuse to allow you modernists to reshape TOS into an image that supports YOUR interpretation at the expense of the truth.

Are we seriously talking about defending "the truth" of an old tv show?

They're just making this stuff up as they go along. Just like all the old writers did!

 

[Squiggy]

SPOCK IS JESUS CHRIST! HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD!!!

 

[Warped9]

...just like some fans refuse to allow you modernists to reshape TOS into an image that supports YOUR interpretation at the expense of the truth.

 

[Squiggy]

You all act like you're in a cult.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Are we seriously talking about defending "the truth" of an old tv show?

They're just making this stuff up as they go along. Just like all the old writers did!

"Stone the heretic! Stone him!"

 

[doubleohfive]

I don't care. Institutional Christianity has spent two millenia contradicting what Jesus said; why should Hollywood do better with a skiffy entertainment franchise?

No, it's spent the last two millenia not allowing outside forces to reshape the faith into a form that is no longer a threat to them...

Tell that to all the priests who molested little boys and girls while the church took it's sweet-ass time to do anything about it.

just like some fans refuse to allow you modernists to reshape TOS into an image that supports YOUR interpretation at the expense of the truth.

What truth? It's a goddamn movie, not the New Testament.

 

[JarodRussell]

I don't care. Institutional Christianity has spent two millenia contradicting what Jesus said; why should Hollywood do better with a skiffy entertainment franchise?

LOL, Dennis basically just godwin-ed this thread.

 

[Greg Cox]

SPOCK IS JESUS CHRIST! HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD!!!

Klaatu did it first!

 

[ST-One]

Sarek wasn't too fond of humans ...

And yet, there he was, married to a human woman.

 

[ST-One]

I don't care. Institutional Christianity has spent two millenia contradicting what Jesus said; why should Hollywood do better with a skiffy entertainment franchise?

LOL, Dennis basically just godwin-ed this thread.

No, he didn't.
Do you even know what that actually means, to godwin a discussion?

You all act like you're in a cult.

Like The Onion, Futurama too got it right, didn't it?

 

[JarodRussell]

I don't care. Institutional Christianity has spent two millenia contradicting what Jesus said; why should Hollywood do better with a skiffy entertainment franchise?

LOL, Dennis basically just godwin-ed this thread.

No, he didn't.
Do you even know what that actually means, to godwin a discussion?

Yeah, he didn't use Nazis, he used the entire Christian church. In scope and reasoning it's the same.

 

[ST-One]

LOL, Dennis basically just godwin-ed this thread.

No, he didn't.
Do you even know what that actually means, to godwin a discussion?

Yeah, he didn't use Nazis, he used the entire Christian church. In scope and reasoning it's the same.

No.

 

[Squiggy]

LOL, Dennis basically just godwin-ed this thread.

No, he didn't.
Do you even know what that actually means, to godwin a discussion?

Yeah, he didn't use Nazis, he used the entire Christian church. In scope and reasoning it's the same.

Godwinning does not work that way.

 

[plynch]

I skipped about 10 pages of posts and find an "ENT sucked," "No it didn't" argument. Wow.

But to reply to the initial post, I will watch TOS forever; and we're very slowly watching VOY through in order, but it's "Meh." I LIKED VOY in the '90s and now I don't know if I'm going to keep going afer S2. We did DS9 - ok, but not nearly as good as I had remembered. Had its moments. I'm more or less done with everything except TOS, but not by any conscious choice. The world is full of universes of other, new things like gardening and Astor Piazolla music to explore.

WOWIE - I didn't skip far enough ahead. I just read the page this post appears on. Goodbye.

 

[msspurlock]

You all act like you're in a cult.

Not me.
I didn't vote for Obama.

 

[Joker]

You all act like you're in a cult.

Not me.
I didn't vote for Obama.

It's time for the official seal of ...

... to be bestowed.

Now for the finalé.

Bye bye Warped9. May your life become even more exciting than it was before.

Take a shuttle.