Actually airing commercials for the show wouldn't hurt either. I can't remember seeing a single one in months.
Dollhouse cancelled after 13!
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I saw a couple right before Season 2 came back, but that's it.
Recent interview with Joss about the upcoming episodes- (done prior to the cancellation news)
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/news/joss-whedon-previews-dollhouses-final-season-3188.html
Sounds like a great batch of last episodes anyway
http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/news/joss-whedon-previews-dollhouses-final-season-3188.html
Sounds like a great batch of last episodes anyway
Temis said it best when she said that part of the problem is that the show was just basically a wank-fest for all of his little creative fetishes. Victimizing women by pretending to empower them. Preaching angsty nihilism by pretending it's heroism. People eventually wised up to his act.
If he does another show, it's got to be free of all of his fetishes or at least watered down considerably. Those two themes may play well to nerds and teenagers(his core base), but they hold little appeal to main stream audiences. He needs to find other things to write about other then rape-victim action stars and manic depressive superheros.
Do you then disagree with the way Christopher, Jimmy Bob, and other characterized the show up-thread? If so, why?
While I can see where your viewpoint is coming from, I think it's misinterpreting what the show was trying to say.
I'd agree with you and Temis that I'm not a big fan of his fetishes (each to his own, naturally, I'm not judgemental, I'm just not turned on by viticimized women), and this is one of the reasons I didn't bother with Dollhouse.
It may be more revealing than not that the fans of the show so far have seemed to avoid the fetishistic elements and emphasize the serious drama and eyebrow-raising philosophical premises of the piece, but whatever, I've never watched it and I'm just obnoxiously airing my dirty laundry for some no doubt perverse satisfaction.
While I'm a fan of Dollhouse, I generally agree with the bad writing critique. So much of what made Buffy, Angel, & Firefly so beloved was the snappy Whedon wit that was imbued into each episode. It was woven so thoroughly into the fabric of those universes that there was something funny even in the darkest of situations. Dollhouse is missing that almost entirely. It occasionally has its moments, usually in scenes with Topher. (I especially love the scenes in "Man on the Street" where Topher & Saunders talk about Victor's "man reaction.")
I will say this for Dollhouse-- Even though it often treads into even darker territory than Battlestar Galactica, it never descends to that show's level of unwatchably depressing. And the reason for that is because, at their core, all of the main characters are trying to do the right thing and don't wallow in their personal angst. That was a severe problem, both for Battlestar Galactica and the last couple seasons of Buffy.
True dat. There's absolutely zero legal or moral justification for sending Dominic to Azkaban.
I've read she's signed up for a total of three episodes this season, and she's done one so far. Lemme do the math there...
I don't think so. The pilot reveals and advances too much right off the bat. I prefer the way things were revealed more gradually in the series, giving it a sense of mystery. I mean, here we were told up front how the Dollhouse operated and why the Actives signed up; most of the pilot was an exercise in exposition. It was better the way the series raised these questions, kept us wondering, and revealed things gradually.
For instance, revealing that Ballard's snitch is a Doll almost immediately after introducing the character doesn't have anywhere near the same impact as doing so three or four episodes in. The attempt on Ballard's life had more impact when we'd gotten more time to get to know him and experience his quest.
Particularly, the idea of Echo being somehow exceptional and possibly retaining memories didn't seem to come across that well in the original pilot; it was something we were told in dialogue before we got any actual onscreen evidence of it, and that didn't sell the idea very well. The way the series unfolded, giving us more time to get to know Echo and watch her at work, each time giving us some hint that she's remembering, and then having other characters start to notice and react to it, is a much better way of conveying that.
Indeed, it served all the characters better to give us more time to get acquainted with them and give them more to do while gradually unfolding this arc. For instance, Sierra was a bit player in the original pilot, almost an afterthought. There was no explanation for why she was "grouping" with Echo and Victor. Also, the original pilot has no Reed Diamond and no Miracle Laurie, and the show would've been poorer without them.
Dominic is an example of how interesting the moral ambiguities of this show are. Dominic was consistently played as a bad guy, but in light of "Epitaph One," I realized something: Dominic was right. He was afraid of the devastating potential of the Dollhouse technology in the wrong hands, and he was downright prophetic in his concerns. Now, his secret employers may not have been the right hands, but in his own way, he was trying to do the right thing.
I dunno if your comments are aimed directly at me, per se (though it certainly could appear that way), but either way, allow me to respond.
I personally never claimed to have an understanding of the show, as a whole. In fact, I clearly stated that my own experience of the show lasted all of two episodes. The problem is, though, those two episodes are highly flawed and open to very legitimate criticism. Personally, I saw nothing in those episodes that even suggested a more mature approach to the series and, furthermore, I thought the premise was decidedly juvenile and silly (if not downright exploitative). As such, chose not to give it my time. Based on that, all I said regarding its cancellation was "there's little surprise or remorse for this news."
That's hardly claiming that the cancellation was justified -- merely that I don't feel any remorse that it's gone. In fact, if you actually read my post, I concede that it's possible that the show managed to develop into something worthwhile and is, as a result, praiseworthy. Still, it's entirely legitimate to criticize a series based on its first two episodes, especially considering the fact that most shows use these installments to lay the groundwork -- in terms of character, plot and theme -- for the entire series.
So yeah, maybe Dollhouse did eventually become something worthwhile -- again, I reiterate that do not know this for fact, but accept the possibility -- but even so, considering its initial missteps, it's no surprise that the show never found a steady, viable audience. And considering its exploitative pilot and sophomore episode, I don't at all feel bad that the series ended up being canned, regardless of whether or not it eventually became something worthwhile.
UM?
I recall that Dominic worked for the government and his job was not to stop the dollhouse but to keep them from clusterfucking exposing themselves via incompetence.
This lad was just an agent with a mission. Faith and righteousness had little to do with it, otherwise he would have broken his mission parameters and stopped these buggers from playing mad scientist.
Impotence manifest.
This must be how the junior CIA agents feel when they first begin selling and buying cocaine in South America to fund black ops off book south of the boarder.
I recall that Dominic worked for the government and his job was not to stop the dollhouse but to keep them from clusterfucking exposing themselves via incompetence.
This lad was just an agent with a mission. Faith and righteousness had little to do with it, otherwise he would have broken his mission parameters and stopped these buggers from playing mad scientist.
Impotence manifest.
This must be how the junior CIA agents feel when they first begin selling and buying cocaine in South America to fund black ops off book south of the boarder.
So good writing = funny? Personally I'm all for the moments of Topher mentally collapsing or Boyd forcing Topher to saw a dead body to pieces. Saying that Dollhouse is bad because it's not funny is more like stating personal taste as a fact. Now if someone would do an academic 5 page long literary analysis on why Dollhouse is crap and why CSI or Law&Order is better we'd get something more than "It's so Whedon - it's crap" and "It's not Whedon enough - it's crap." Which is how mostly Dollhouse is being talked about on the internetz. Christopher is the first time I've seen a different approach.
I also didn't find anything wrong with last couple of seasons of Buffy. 5&6 were the peak, 7 was slightly weaker because the potentials were so annoying, but it still was an awesome week.
I like that Dollhouse is different than the rest of Whedon's stuff. Not everything he does needs witty dialogue. I think its good that he's trying to change as a writer.
^^ Yeah, I don't really see how it's playing to his base either. It's really not much like Buffy/Angel/Firefly IMO.
If not for the fact that I know he made it, I would never assume that it was made by the same guy. It's just too different.
Well, when they fold this thing I'll once again be watching nothing with any regularity other than CNN.
Is that still on?
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