Not Canada?
Does the United States still exist in the 23rd century?
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Not Canada?
In my headcanon the former nation States still exist as administrative entities :
"The United States" are embedded into the United Earth government, and that into the Federation government. Similar to how the former Kingdom of Bavaria is now embedded into the country of Germany which is embedded into the European Union. And the question "are you familiar with it" is not meant as "are you aware of it's existence", but more like "do you actually know something about it, or do I need to start explaining?".
"The United States" are embedded into the United Earth government, and that into the Federation government. Similar to how the former Kingdom of Bavaria is now embedded into the country of Germany which is embedded into the European Union. And the question "are you familiar with it" is not meant as "are you aware of it's existence", but more like "do you actually know something about it, or do I need to start explaining?".
Riker had previously been established as being from Alaska, so the first time I saw that episode, when Ben mentioned that Riker was Canadian, I honestly thought they were establishing that Alaska was now part of Canada. But then Riker ruined that.
Relevant to this thread, though, it's noteworthy that both Ben and Sam referenced the national level (versus, say, Yukon), whereas Riker when making the correction referenced the state level, specifically saying he's from Alaska, not that he's American or something along those lines.
Nope. That’s what Ensign Sam Lavelle thought, too, but he got bad information from our favorite Ten Forward waiter, Ben.
Jurisdictionally it's stupid to govern Alaska from the rest of the US. That goes double for Hawaii. Canada should have taken Alaska, but it didn't because Riker said that he wasn't Canadian.
Of Course Canada and America could be provinces for a North American block.
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Maybe Alaska, Iowa, and Montana are independent entities within the United Earth government.
On Enterprise, The Mayor from Buffy was called "Minister" who seemed to be an official in the United Earth Government or the Head of the United Earth Government. It was not clearly set out, unless you count the novelization of the episode who said that Samuels was Prime Minister Samuels, and even after that, I heard some punk argue that Minister was a religious rank and Samuels was a priest.
Get the fuck out!!
Stacey Abrams was the President of the United Earth on Discovery?
Wow.
Sweet stunt casting.
But what gave my eye a real twinkle is Ted Cruz shitting on Stacy.
Which is horrible, but it means that Ted signed up to Paramount Plus, sat down and watched 50 minutes of Discovery, which is hilarious.
So the united Earth had to restructure after joining the Federation, going from a parliamentary system to a republic.
Interesting.
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Forgot to mention, in TNG's "The Naked Now," the dedication plaque of the Tsiollkovsky implies the Soviet Union exists in the 24th century, since the plaque indicates it as being constructed in Baikonur Cosmodrome, USSR.
Also, Star Trek IV has a weather report that comes in from "Leningrad" (renamed Saint Petersburg after the fall of the Soviet Union).
Also, Star Trek IV has a weather report that comes in from "Leningrad" (renamed Saint Petersburg after the fall of the Soviet Union).
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Meh. We couldn't read it on the TV screens of 1987.
A poster addressed this issue satisfactorily a month ago in General Trek Discussion "Bad Starship Names".
That one isn't actually a problem! While the city of Leningrad changed its name back to Saint Petersburg in 1991, its province is still known as Leningrad Oblast. So obviously every time a character mentions Leningrad in Star Trek, they're just talking about the oblast rather than the city.
I mean, "preserve their cultural identity" is a very vague summary of their motivations. Perhaps they felt that even with reclaiming their ancestral land, the homogenizing effect of the larger planetary culture would be too strong, and that's why they left Earth.
Also, I like to imagine that the U.S. and other historical settler-colonial states would have ceded land back to indigenous nations en mass before the establishment of United Earth.
I mean, parliamentary republics are a thing. There are three basic versions -- one where the president is a mostly-ceremonial head of state and real power lies in the head of government (Germany, Austria, Ireland); one where the president and prime minister share power to some degree or other (France, Finland, Portugal); and one where the head of state and government is a collective body comprised proportionally of the parties represented in parliament with a rotating presiding officer (the Swiss system).
There's a piece of land called the United States of America based it being called that in the past, but the government and independent nation started in 1776 probably died during WWIII.
TNG The Royale.
A flag with 52 Stars indicates an American period between 2032 and 2079.
Although were some states nuked/irradiated so badly in the war, that the land became unlivable? What do you call a state with a population of zero, and how useful is that state to the rest of the country?
Congressional apportionment, 900,000 people = 1 congressperson, would create a tiny House of Representatives, until the apportionment is corrected after the next census.
Oh.
Would the Vulcans do the census from orbit with scans?
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Taxes may not be collected, but replicator rationing would have to be fairly distributed. Not that replicator rationing was been mentioned on a personal level anywhere but Voyager, but if we think of what a city with millions of people needs to replicate day to day to stay on top of it's own consumption, there could be some backtalk about any city being so greedy that they are abusing the benevolence of the United Earth.
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Have to break the world down somehow to manageable parts.
One world.
Then to countries
Then to states
Then to counties
Just like B5 .. A united earth, but still countries ..
Probably is a earth senate, Parliament that represents each old country with a president, prime minister in charge.
How do you maintain control without the bureaucracy? ...
One world.
Then to countries
Then to states
Then to counties
Just like B5 .. A united earth, but still countries ..
Probably is a earth senate, Parliament that represents each old country with a president, prime minister in charge.
How do you maintain control without the bureaucracy? ...
Going off on a bit of a tangent here, but I remember the first time I saw that episode when I was a kid I made a similar conclusion based on the fact that my teacher at the time had actually told my class Alaska used to be a Canadian province before "the Americans bought it."Riker had previously been established as being from Alaska, so the first time I saw that episode, when Ben mentioned that Riker was Canadian, I honestly thought they were establishing that Alaska was now part of Canada. But then Riker ruined that.
Anyway, when I was watching the episode, the part where Ben said Riker was Canadian, my mother was in the room, and she said "I didn't know Riker was from Canada." I said he was from Alaska, and my mother said Alaska isn't part of Canada. I then suggested "maybe the Americans gave Alaska back in the future?" My mother then wanted to know what the hell was I even talking about so I mentioned what my teacher said and ended up missing the rest of the episode as my mother delivered a lecture on the history of Alaska.
Even to this day, I still hate that particular teacher.
I'm guessing that for United Earth purposes, there's still a "Canada" and a "United States", but the details are still mostly unclear. Maybe both countries reorganized with an eye towards better respecting Indigenous populations' rights and needs, but it happened as a long process and continued further after Chakotay's ancestors left Sol system?
Let's not forget that as of the Enterprise era, there was (or had been the generation prior) a Royal Navy, indicating that Earth was not yet completely united and that at least the UK was a sovereign entity fielding armed forces.
In truth, that always seemed like another one of those little 'continuity issues' to me, but it's right there on screen in the episode "Silent Enemy."
In truth, that always seemed like another one of those little 'continuity issues' to me, but it's right there on screen in the episode "Silent Enemy."
