Yup. It confirms my long suspected belief that if Season 1 had all legacy characters instead of new characters, and used a TNG style ship and uniforms it would have been better received.
Does the current state of Star Trek say anything about what fans want?
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Most of what you say I'm great with although I didn't like anything I saw of DSC at all and I liked the first season of PIC, tolerated and sort of liked the second and liking the third!
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I am enjoying seeing the gang getting back together, it feels very 'Star Trek' to me with the crew all working together to solve a problem. It's amazing how good some of the legacy actors are - especially Jonathan Frakes and I thought Marina was amazing in Nepenthe.Gates McFadden (who I thought was the weakest actor on the TNG cast) is also putting in a career best performance.Michelle Hurd's character is really working partnered with Worf and the young man playing Picards son is very good too.
The designs are better, from simple things like the use of LCARS to the ships themselves. I'm hoping they can add some depth to Vadic, who is feeling a lot like the Romulan villain from Season 1, with no real motivation for being evil.
There's more humour, more action, a bit of exploration. The show feels more upbeat, less dour. And, so help me for saying it, but it links to canon. It feels like it fits with the Prime timeline. Thank Kahless himself, but Klingons look like Klingons, a Constitution class starship looks like it should (unlike in Season 1). It's no wonder that people like Rob Meyer Burnett, Mark Altman etc... have come around to the show. Hell, even the guys at RedLetter Media are liking it.
Now, if we can just lower the ridiculously high ceilings on the sets, turn up the lights a bit and lay some carpet, I'll be in TNG heaven
For the love of all that is right and holy, please do not post spoilers for Picard in here.
There is an entire dedicated forum where everyone can discuss season 3 until their heart’s content.
I totally disagree with this, and would argue the reason season 3 works much better than season 2 is the characters. People have connected to and care about Riker, Deanna, Beverly and the other TNG characters in ways that never really worked for Rios, Elnor or Jurati.
Beyond that, I don't get people acting surprised that the audience is excited in revisiting familiar people and things in a series that's entire purpose in the first place is to revisit a legacy character. The entire pull of the series is to use Picard and the memories of TNG to draw people in. People are not watching a show named Star Trek: Picard for the scenes with Jurati and Elnor.
Some of us liked the worldbuilding and new characters introduced in season 1 of Picard and aren't at all enthused it all got shoved aside at the end of season 2 just so we could become engorged on memberberries during the TNG reunion that is season 3.
I found Musiker, Jurati, Rios and company far more compelling than the stale TNG cast.
It leaves Star Trek dead in the water, eventually, if all they have is to play on nostalgia.
Nostalgia is just continuity plus time. If Elnor shows up in the next Star Trek series then no one would accuse that of being nostalgia, he's just a character in that world you'd expect them to use. And they can carry on bringing these new old characters back to anchor new series indefinitely. It worked for Deep Space Nine.
Of course not...
...I enjoyed Raffi and Rios too.
Pretty sure we passed that a bit ago.
For the people that enjoyed the first two seasons of Picard, or the people that like Discovery or whichever seasons of a Star Trek series, more power to you. I'm not gonna argue that your taste is "wrong." We're all here because we all like the concept of Star Trek in some form.
I can just say for myself that I find season 3 far more compelling because I care about these characters, and I find Picard's interactions with these characters more meaningful. For example, I'm interested in what's going on in Riker's and Deanna's relationship, and found the conversation where he apologizes to her for being distant really touching. I don't know if that's fanwank, but I thought it was good television, and I connected with it in a way that I didn't when it was Picard and Laris or Rios and 21st century doctor lady.
Having read through all 18 volumes of The Best of Trek about 5 years ago, I might tend to disagree.
...the very reason I find any complaints about the "Kirk" scene being nostalgic pandering hypocritical, as it appeared in a series that only exists due to whatever nostalgia remains for Picard and other Berman-era characters, etc.
My sympathiesHaving read through all 18 volumes of The Best of Trek about 5 years ago, I might tend to disagree.
I read them upon release
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