Does Starfleet have transwarp in this universe?

[Trekker4747]

No because Chekov says they'll arrive within 3 minutes. And that's before Kirk even wakes up. Why is it so hard to believe? Turbolifts are obviously quite fast in this film. He spends 30 seconds travelling around the ship and 2 minutes running through corridors and chatting to Uhura.

Yes, because more than three minutes actually pass!

 

[RoJoHen]

The Kelvin bridge crew were made aware of how Romulans look when Nero plastered his face over the viewscreen as for Cardassians where did you get that from? I didn't hear any mention of cardassians in the film.

Uhura ordered a Cardassian Sunrise (or something) when she was at the bar.

 

[Kpnuts]

Who said that? the words warp 4 and maximum warp wern't uttered together.

See my above point.

With regards to the rest of your post. You asked me what the differences/changes between the two universes. I answered.

Supposedly, the Narada's attack on the Kelvin changed a lot, ie. what I posted above.

Re: Cardassians. Uhura orders a Cardassian sunrise at the bar

 

[All Seeing Eye]

The Kelvin bridge crew were made aware of how Romulans look when Nero plastered his face over the viewscreen as for Cardassians where did you get that from? I didn't hear any mention of cardassians in the film.

Uhura ordered a Cardassian Sunrise (or something) when she was at the bar.

You actually remember little lines like this?

Supposedly, the Narada's attack on the Kelvin changed a lot,

I disagree on what is classed as "a lot". In regards to how things looks like the ship and weapons, come on man, this is a 2009 movie. We can just pretend this is how it looked in TOS and nothing changed when it came to designs. The only things technically that changed were things like Kirk growing up.
When you start trying to make excuses for why ships look different slightly or why a hand phaser looks different you're going overboard.

 

[Zeppster]

Warp drive. Max warp is warp 4 in this universe.

Who said that? the words warp 4 and maximum warp wern't uttered together.

The design of the enterprise, inside and out

So you don't think the survivors of the Kelvin might have changed careers or their children which they previously never had might have gone into design? or the reports that a massive Romulan vessel wiped the floor with them might have caused Starfleet to make changes?



this is a 2009 movie, we're not in the 60's. See also my top point.



See both my top two points.

Starfleet weaponry

See both my top two points.

Knowledge of Romulans, Cardassians

The Kelvin bridge crew were made aware of how Romulans look when Nero plastered his face over the viewscreen as for Cardassians where did you get that from? I didn't hear any mention of cardassians in the film.

Cardassian Sunrise reference from Uhura.

 

[Kpnuts]

No because Chekov says they'll arrive within 3 minutes. And that's before Kirk even wakes up. Why is it so hard to believe? Turbolifts are obviously quite fast in this film. He spends 30 seconds travelling around the ship and 2 minutes running through corridors and chatting to Uhura.

Yes, because more than three minutes actually pass!

So when Chekov said 'we will arrive within 3 minutes'.... you're saying he was lying, or making a mistake?

 

[Zeppster]

Warp drive. Max warp is warp 4 in this universe.
The design of the enterprise, inside and out
Hand phasers
Window viewscreens
Starfleet weaponry
Knowledge of Romulans, Cardassians

the list goes on

They never said anything of what Max warp is.

Chekov says: "If Mr Scott can get us to warp factor 4" when they're on their way to Earth.

It's reasonable to assume that's max warp. Otherwise why bother taking your time to try and stop Earth's destruction.

That's just assuming. Maybe he meant "Warp Factor 4" at the minimum

 

[Zeppster]

No because Chekov says they'll arrive within 3 minutes. And that's before Kirk even wakes up. Why is it so hard to believe? Turbolifts are obviously quite fast in this film. He spends 30 seconds travelling around the ship and 2 minutes running through corridors and chatting to Uhura.

Yes, because more than three minutes actually pass!

So when Chekov said 'we will arrive within 3 minutes'.... you're saying he was lying, or making a mistake?

Again because more than 3 minutes pass. It takes about a minute for Kirk to find Uhura than more than a minute to explain it then he runs to the bridge, and takes a couple minutes arguing with Spock then finally explaining what happens.

 

[Zeppster]

The Kelvin bridge crew were made aware of how Romulans look when Nero plastered his face over the viewscreen as for Cardassians where did you get that from? I didn't hear any mention of cardassians in the film.

Uhura ordered a Cardassian Sunrise (or something) when she was at the bar.

You actually remember little lines like this?

Supposedly, the Narada's attack on the Kelvin changed a lot,

I disagree on what is classed as "a lot". In regards to how things looks like the ship and weapons, come on man, this is a 2009 movie. We can just pretend this is how it looked in TOS and nothing changed when it came to designs. The only things technically that changed were things like Kirk growing up.
When you start trying to make excuses for why ships look different slightly or why a hand phaser looks different you're going overboard.

Ships would look different because of an attack. I can really see that. Don't think it would change hand phasers though.

 

[Trekker4747]

No because Chekov says they'll arrive within 3 minutes. And that's before Kirk even wakes up. Why is it so hard to believe? Turbolifts are obviously quite fast in this film. He spends 30 seconds travelling around the ship and 2 minutes running through corridors and chatting to Uhura.

Yes, because more than three minutes actually pass!

So when Chekov said 'we will arrive within 3 minutes'.... you're saying he was lying, or making a mistake?

I'm saying that between when he says that and when Sulu counts them out of warp. In real time. For us. The viewer. More than three minutes pass.

This isn't adding in a minute or two to allow for times for people to ride trubolifts or get between locations, etc.

Chekov says the "three minutes" line, more than three minutes actually pass -in the real world- and then Sulu counts them out of Warp.

Maybe with Chekov's accent he actually says something like "thirty minutes."

 

[Kpnuts]

They never said anything of what Max warp is.

Chekov says: "If Mr Scott can get us to warp factor 4" when they're on their way to Earth.

It's reasonable to assume that's max warp. Otherwise why bother taking your time to try and stop Earth's destruction.

That's just assuming. Maybe he meant "Warp Factor 4" at the minimum

Could be. It's more likely he was hoping Scotty could push the engines and get them to their maximum: warp 4.

But who knows, as you say there's no concrete evidence either way.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Ships would look different because of an attack.

Indeed. Starfleet hears about a huge Romulan ship wiping the floor with the Kelvin, they're gunna wanna start bringing out latest technologies or prototype technologies early because as far as they're concerned the Romulans are advancing in tech faster than Starfleet.
Maybe they think the Romulans are going to start another war so start designing new ships? it's possible and quite likely.

 

[Kpnuts]

Yes, because more than three minutes actually pass!

So when Chekov said 'we will arrive within 3 minutes'.... you're saying he was lying, or making a mistake?

I'm saying that between when he says that and when Sulu counts them out of warp. In real time. For us. The viewer. More than three minutes pass.

This isn't adding in a minute or two to allow for times for people to ride trubolifts or get between locations, etc.

Chekov says the "three minutes" line, more than three minutes actually pass -in the real world- and then Sulu counts them out of Warp.

Maybe with Chekov's accent he actually says something like "thirty minutes."

Having checked, in real time, it takes exactly 4 minutes 5 seconds since Chekov's line and their arrival.

 

[Kpnuts]

Ships would look different because of an attack.

Indeed. Starfleet hears about a huge Romulan ship wiping the floor with the Kelvin, they're gunna wanna start bringing out latest technologies or prototype technologies early because as far as they're concerned the Romulans are advancing in tech faster than Starfleet.

You asked me what 'changes' between the two universes there were. I suggested some. What was your point?!

 

[All Seeing Eye]

You asked me what 'changes' between the two universes there were. I suggested some. What was your point?!

You said you can't believe the destruction of the kelvin made such huge changes to the timeline , Your exact words were:

To be honest I find the idea that Nero's attack on the Kelvin could change so much a little hard to swallow.

clearly the destruction of the Kelvin CAN make such huge changes. As explained in previous posts.
An unknown massive Romulan ship about 20 times bigger than the Kelvin wiping the floor with a Federation ship is cause for concern and can quite easily bring about a rapid change in technology and design.

personally I just think the designs shouldn't be considered change and we should just pretend the TOS Ent and pistols looked the same.

 

[Kpnuts]

You asked me what 'changes' between the two universes there were. I suggested some. What was your point?!

You said you can't believe the destruction of the kelvin made such huge changes to the timeline , clearly the destruction of the Kelvin CAN make such huge changes. As explained in previous posts.
An unknown massive Romulan ship about 20 times bigger than the Kelvin wiping the floor with a Federation ship is cause for concern and can quite easily bring about a rapid change in technology and design.

This was your post:

To be honest I find the idea that Nero's attack on the Kelvin could change so much a little hard to swallow. But we'll let that pass

change so much? such as what? the year Kirk enters the academy?

It sounds as though you don't think much has changed and are suggesting that the only main thing is that Kirk entered the academy a bit later.

I told you, no, there are far more changes than that.

 

[Zeppster]

The changes with Kirk were because his father was killed.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

It sounds as though you don't think much has changed and are suggesting that the only main thing is that Kirk entered the academy a bit later.

I told you, no, there are far more changes than that.

The only other changes you mention are changes to design such as ship design and pistol design which like I said isn't a huge change if you just pretend they always looked like that even in TOS.

Even if the Kelvin IS responsible for the design changes, you said you find it hard to swallow, which really it isn't, the reason for which has already been explained.

So putting design changes aside and Kirk entering the academy late what else has changed so drastically that you find hard to swallow?

 

[Kpnuts]

The changes with Kirk were because his father was killed.

Thank you, I had realised.

It sounds as though you don't think much has changed and are suggesting that the only main thing is that Kirk entered the academy a bit later.

I told you, no, there are far more changes than that.

The only other changes you mention are changes to design such as ship design and pistol design which like I said isn't a huge change if you just pretend they always looked like that even in TOS.

Even if the Kelvin IS responsible for the design changes, you said you find it hard to swallow, which really it isn't, the reason for which has already been explained.

So putting design changes aside and Kirk entering the academy late what else has changed so drastically that you find hard to swallow?

Ok we're obviously looking at things two different ways. You associate the design changes as acceptable adaptations for modern Trek, that have nothing to do with the timeline change.

I sort of assumed they were to do with the timeline change.

Having said that, I don't care. You're probably right, it's just aesthetic differences for a 2009 film and shouldn't be associated with Nero. I think Orci and Kurtzman would probably blame Nero for the small design changes though. But regardless, it's not important.

 

[Meredith]

So if you put a transporter on systems or space stations in regular intervals a couple of light years across and you can boldly beam people around the galaxy.

That's why making a series now would be a mistake.

Makes it more like Stargate then, Either that or it only work when beaming to thing traveling at warp speed, due to subspace and all that.

They have Slipstream drive. They got it out of Crewman Daniels' quarters.

I wonder, is the Scotty who came up with this formula supposed to be TOS movie-era Scotty or post-Genolan TNG Scotty?

Neither. Since this version of Spock came back in time from the future that resulted from the Temporal Cold War on Enterprise, it would be from a Scotty we're almost completely unfamilar with.

Although, if you don't like that, I'll add that it could be something post-Genolan Scotty would have come up with.

When the Kelvin was done blowed up real good Admiral Archer got really pissed off because he just lost Porthos the III so he went down to Daniels quarters and opened it up and in a fit of rage gave the Daniel's library device to the StarFleet science department.