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Good points, also if Earth received a distress call from Vulcan that means Nero has already fired his drill. How long would it take for a weapon of that magnitude to drill to the core? less than hours surely.
Does Starfleet have transwarp in this universe?
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Good points, also if Earth received a distress call from Vulcan that means Nero has already fired his drill. How long would it take for a weapon of that magnitude to drill to the core? less than hours surely.
It depends on how thick the plot is.
It's possible it did take them some time to get to Max Warp. Or perhaps when they left space dock they traveled at Warp 2 for a while and then later sped-up to Max. Warp. But clearly more time passs than three minutes between when they enter warp and arrive at Vulcan.
Too much happens.
Hell, MORE than three minutes pass between Kirk coming-to in Sickbay and when they drop out of warp!
Too much happens.
Hell, MORE than three minutes pass between Kirk coming-to in Sickbay and when they drop out of warp!
Maybe he's just...really fast?
Nothing happens actually. Apart from Chekov's announcement, and McCoys change of clothes.
Why would they start at warp 2 and then go to warp 4 (max)? They're trying to catch up with the other Federation ships.
No because Chekov says they'll arrive within 3 minutes. And that's before Kirk even wakes up. Why is it so hard to believe? Turbolifts are obviously quite fast in this film. He spends 30 seconds travelling around the ship and 2 minutes running through corridors and chatting to Uhura.
Vulcan is just over 16 light years from Earth according to all sources I can find.
This sequence is in real time from Sulu saying "we've reached maximum warp" until they arrive at Wulcan (ETA 3 minutes according to Chekov). The only part that's in question is how long it takes to reach max warp. That's how long Kirk was under. There's no extra time inserted. I can't imagine that reaching max warp would take more than a few moments.
Sure, Kirk being sedated for a minute or two doesn't make much sense. But come on, there are so many other gaping plot holes in the film that them flubbing on this bit isn't hard to believe.
Yup that was the point I was trying to make.
It doesn't matter how far Vulcan is. It could be 1 light year or 100. We don't know how fast warp drive is in this universe.
To be honest I find the idea that Nero's attack on the Kelvin could change so much a little hard to swallow. But we'll let that pass
I can't find out how fast warp speed is after warp 5. But Warp 5 is 140 times the speed of light. I think the distance of our galaxy is about one light year in length if I remember right from my old Astronomy classes, it's probably a bit more than that but I don't know for sure. Anyway go 150 times that it wouldn't take long to go 16 light years.
For those suggesting Earth to Vulcan did take hours... let's assume the trip took, say, 5 hours.
Isn't it a bit strange that the Enterprise would only reach maximum warp after 4 hours 57 minutes, and Pike would ask Chekov to brief the crew on their mission after that period of time, mere minutes before arriving at Vulcan?
Isn't it a bit strange that the Enterprise would only reach maximum warp after 4 hours 57 minutes, and Pike would ask Chekov to brief the crew on their mission after that period of time, mere minutes before arriving at Vulcan?
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To be honest I find the idea that Nero's attack on the Kelvin could change so much a little hard to swallow. But we'll let that pass
change so much? such as what? the year Kirk enters the academy?
You think it takes light 1 hour to cross our galaxy?
The diameter of the Milky way is about 100,000 light years, if not more.
Yup that was the point I was trying to make.
It doesn't matter how far Vulcan is. It could be 1 light year or 100. We don't know how fast warp drive is in this universe.
To be honest I find the idea that Nero's attack on the Kelvin could change so much a little hard to swallow. But we'll let that pass
I'll have to look up the old numbers exactly but there was a math to it in the TOS days. Warp 1 was 2 times the speed of light, warp 2 was 8 times the speed of light, warp 3 was something like 28 times, i can't remember warp 4, warp 5 is something like 140. I'll look up the exact numbers later. TNG was supposedly faster.
To be honest I find the idea that Nero's attack on the Kelvin could change so much a little hard to swallow. But we'll let that pass
change so much? such as what? the year Kirk enters the academy?
Warp drive. Max warp is warp 4 in this universe.
The design of the enterprise, inside and out
Hand phasers
Window viewscreens
Starfleet weaponry
Knowledge of Romulans, Cardassians
the list goes on
All Seeing Eye
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To be honest I find the idea that Nero's attack on the Kelvin could change so much a little hard to swallow. But we'll let that pass
change so much? such as what? the year Kirk enters the academy?
Warp drive. Max warp is warp 4 in this universe.
The design of the enterprise, inside and out
Hand phasers
Window viewscreens
Starfleet weaponry
Knowledge of Romulans, Cardassians
the list goes on
They never said anything of what Max warp is.
Warp drive. Max warp is warp 4 in this universe.
The design of the enterprise, inside and out
Hand phasers
Window viewscreens
Starfleet weaponry
Knowledge of Romulans, Cardassians
the list goes on
They never said anything of what Max warp is.
Chekov says: "If Mr Scott can get us to warp factor 4" when they're on their way to Earth.
It's reasonable to assume that's max warp. Otherwise why bother taking your time to try and stop Earth's destruction.
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Who said that? the words warp 4 and maximum warp wern't uttered together.
So you don't think the survivors of the Kelvin might have changed careers or their children which they previously never had might have gone into design? or the reports that a massive Romulan vessel wiped the floor with them might have caused Starfleet to make changes?
this is a 2009 movie, we're not in the 60's. See also my top point.See both my top two points.
See both my top two points.
The Kelvin bridge crew were made aware of how Romulans look when Nero plastered his face over the viewscreen as for Cardassians where did you get that from? I didn't hear any mention of cardassians in the film.
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