I ask because the Enterprise is able to travel from Earth to Vulcan within five minutes, despite the 16 light year distance between them. Is it possible that in this timeline, the Federation started work on transwarp drive much earlier and developed a working model enabling ships to travel a lot faster in less time?
Does Starfleet have transwarp in this universe?
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All Seeing Eye
Admiral
It's nothing more than a boo boo. Nero's weapon doesn't take that long to fire, they needed to get the ships and Enterprise to Vulcan as quickly as they could following the distress call.
It does appear to shape up that way, especially given the 'warp effect' we see. Or maybe physics works just a wee bit differently in this alternate 'verse, because now with Scotty's equation it appears we don't even need starships at all.
I wonder, is the Scotty who came up with this formula supposed to be TOS movie-era Scotty or post-Genolan TNG Scotty? I seem to remember 40,000km being the outer limit on Next Gen for reliable transport and the Enterprise had been underway for the better part of a day after leaving Kirk marooned before he managed to beam back aboard. The Enterprise had left the system already, and should have been at a much greater range than 40,000km - as in light year-scale range. They could beam between star systems with that level of tech.
So if you put a transporter on systems or space stations in regular intervals a couple of light years across and you can boldly beam people around the galaxy.
That's why making a series now would be a mistake.
That's why making a series now would be a mistake.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Better part of a day? the ENT left to regroup with the fleet and marooned Kirk, Kirk spent likely 5 minutes trekking to the cave, Kirk and spock together probably spent 5 minutes trekking to the outpost and 5 minutes setting up the transporter meaning the Enterprise had only been at warp for 15 minutes.
The fact that Nero's weapon started firing and the Ent altered cause and got to the Earth before they'd drilled anywhere near to the core means they cant have been at warp for the better part of a day but 20 minutes tops.
So when Kirk and Scotty beamed to the Ent is probably no more than 15 minutes away at warp.
Of course this means that people could technically use a transporter to beam from Vulcan to Earth but I can't deny that the less than 5 mins line to get to Vulcan was the biggest canon violation of all time, worse than the 4 days to Quo'nos in ENT.
They have Slipstream drive. They got it out of Crewman Daniels' quarters.
Although, if you don't like that, I'll add that it could be something post-Genolan Scotty would have come up with.
Neither. Since this version of Spock came back in time from the future that resulted from the Temporal Cold War on Enterprise, it would be from a Scotty we're almost completely unfamilar with.
Although, if you don't like that, I'll add that it could be something post-Genolan Scotty would have come up with.
1. Enterprise goes to warp
2. McCoy and Kirk arrive in medical bay, no doubt minutes after ship leaves Earth orbit
3. "Engines at max warp" -Sulu (again, no doubt a few moments after entering warp)
4. Chekov makes mission announcement.
5. "We should be arriving at Wulkan within 3 minutes, thank you for your time" - Chekov
6. Kirk hears announcement, and rushes to bridge
7. Enterprise exits warp at Vulcan.
Bottom line, yes, all evidence points to the trip only lasting 5-10 minutes.
The only way we could have missed out a huge time span, is if it takes hours to get to maximum warp and Kirk is actually unconscious the whole time in the medical bay, until he hears Chekov's mission briefing. Although it seems strange that mission briefing would take places hours after departure.
So yes, looks like either warp speed is much faster in this NuUniverse, or it's an unintentional goof. Not a big deal IMO, I don't care, but that's what the question was in the original topic.
2. McCoy and Kirk arrive in medical bay, no doubt minutes after ship leaves Earth orbit
3. "Engines at max warp" -Sulu (again, no doubt a few moments after entering warp)
4. Chekov makes mission announcement.
5. "We should be arriving at Wulkan within 3 minutes, thank you for your time" - Chekov
6. Kirk hears announcement, and rushes to bridge
7. Enterprise exits warp at Vulcan.
Bottom line, yes, all evidence points to the trip only lasting 5-10 minutes.
The only way we could have missed out a huge time span, is if it takes hours to get to maximum warp and Kirk is actually unconscious the whole time in the medical bay, until he hears Chekov's mission briefing. Although it seems strange that mission briefing would take places hours after departure.
So yes, looks like either warp speed is much faster in this NuUniverse, or it's an unintentional goof. Not a big deal IMO, I don't care, but that's what the question was in the original topic.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
No there's actual bridge dialogue where I think it's Spock that says something like "we'll reach Vulcan in 4.6 minutes". This is said before they enter warp.
As I said in my last post, it's pretty much the worst canon violation since the 4 days to Quo-nos line in ENT.
Didn't the escape pod computer say that the outpost was 14 kilometers away? Somehow I think it took more than 5 minutes to walk there.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
yes, he does or at least someone on the bridge says this. I remember because I was shocked in my cinema seat when it was said.
Well I don't remember that computer line so i'll concede, it didn't take 5 minutes.
I'm guessing a good deal of time had passed while Kirk was unconscious. Why would Bones sedate him only to have him wake up a few minutes later?
Also, Bones changed uniforms in the time between Kirk passing out and waking up. Not that that would take long, but it's another indication that some time had passed.
Also, Bones changed uniforms in the time between Kirk passing out and waking up. Not that that would take long, but it's another indication that some time had passed.
Right, they jump to warp, time passes (where things like Kirk coming out of his drug-induced coma and McCoy changing his clothes occur) and then Chekov does his ship-wide annoucement that they'll arrive in Vulcan in a five mnutes. MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES passs during the time Kirk hears this annoucement, rewatches Chekov's address, rushes to find Uhura, talks to her and then rushes to the bridge where a conversation takes place and THEN they come out of Warp. Travel times between areas of the ships are also edited as we're not shown a scene of Kirk and McCoy riding a turbo between Sickbay and where Uhura is working (apparently in the Enterprise's septic tank bay) or between where Uhura is working and the Bridge. Unless Sickbay, the bridge, and this linguistics corridor are all supposed to be on the same deck.
A good ammount of time passed certainly passed from when the Enterprise enters warp and arrives at Vulcan. Certainly more than a few minutes.
All Seeing Eye
Admiral
Well in my memory Sulu manages to get the ship to warp and then before the camera even leaves the bridge someone says the 4 point something line. I'll concede on this one when I re-watch the film.
Right, they jump to warp, time passes (where things like Kirk coming out of his drug-induced coma and McCoy changing his clothes occur) and then Chekov does his ship-wide annoucement that they'll arrive in Vulcan in a five mnutes. MORE THAN FIVE MINUTES passs during the time Kirk hears this annoucement, rewatches Chekov's address, rushes to find Uhura, talks to her and then rushes to the bridge where a conversation takes place and THEN they come out of Warp. Travel times between areas of the ships are also edited as we're not shown a scene of Kirk and McCoy riding a turbo between Sickbay and where Uhura is working (apparently in the Enterprise's septic tank bay) or between where Uhura is working and the Bridge. Unless Sickbay, the bridge, and this linguistics corridor are all supposed to be on the same deck.
A good ammount of time passed certainly passed from when the Enterprise enters warp and arrives at Vulcan. Certainly more than a few minutes.
If your suggestion is correct then that would mean the following:
1. It takes a good amount of time, hours for instance, to reach max warp because Sulu says "Engines at maximum warp" just before Chekov announces the mission.
2. Chekov announces the mission hours after departure and minutes before arriving at Vulcan
Just because Kirk is sedated doesn't mean he has to be out for hours. Maybe subconsciously the mention of 'lightning storm in space' woke him up straight away.
Well in my memory Sulu manages to get the ship to warp and then before the camera even leaves the bridge someone says the 4 point something line. I'll concede on this one when I re-watch the film.
I just watched the bit.
It's Chekov that says they'll arrive at Vulcan within 3 minutes during his announcement.
Which means... Trekker4747, that it takes 3 minutes for Kirk to wake up and arrive at the bridge.
This is the exact sequence of events:
1. Enterprise goes to warp
2. McCoy and Kirk arrive in medical bay, no doubt minutes after ship leaves Earth orbit. McCoy wearing red cadets uniform
3. "Engines at max warp" -Sulu (again, no doubt a few moments after entering warp)
4. Chekov makes mission announcement.
5. "We should be arriving at Wulkan within 3 minutes, thank you for your time" - Chekov
6. Kirk hears announcement, and rushes to bridge. McCoy changed into blue uniform.
7. Enterprise exits warp at Vulcan.
Obviously a bit of time needs to pass for McCoy to change uniform, but I don't think it's that long.
So either:
1. Ship takes hours to reach Vulcan, Kirk is unconscious for hours, mission announcement takes place minutes before arrival, engines take hours to reach maximum warp.
or
3. Ship takes 15 or so minutes to reach Vulcan, Kirk is unconscious for most of that time and is awoken by Chekov's announcement recently after going to warp.
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