Does Species 8472 Still Exist in the 30th Century?

[Dryson]

I have to wonder if The Burn effected Fluidic Space or not.

Species 8472 doesn't use dilithium, as far as I know, therefore Fluidic Space should be still intact and very much accessible for use by starships. I'm not certain if a starship could use its warp engines in Fluidic Space for small jumps across across non-Fluidic space that would actually traverse Federation space.

I also think that a list needs to be made of every species, prior to The Burn, that didn't employ dilithium in their warp engine system at all. Such factions would be a powerhouse in the 30th century to say the least.

 

[Nerys Myk]

When we have a show set in the 30th Century we might find out.

 

[Dryson]

Two centuries off, meh, let's see whose home, shall we?
And then bring them along into the 32nd for all of the festivities that can be had.
It will be Shangu unlike no other Shangu before.

 

[Vger23]

Probably....but perhaps not. Hard to say.

 

[Dryson]

Maybe those in the 30th century left their doors open. Maybe we'll find some shiny condenser coils or Haffield's Momentary Control Routines, maybe even 30th century wine.

If Species 8472 existed in the Voy timeline and the Discovery jumped out of the timeline containing Voy and then into the 32nd century, the continuity of the timeline from when the Discovery left in 2255 would still be intact, because Discovery and all of the events surrounding her were scrubbed from the data centers of the Federation. But not all, there would be a central and very well guarded and kept secret data vault containing all of the history of Discovery and her missions.

What this means is that after Discovery jumped into the future and she was listed as, lost, the TOS would have occurred normally up to The Burn, therefore Starfleet would still have made contact with Species 8472.

 

[Lord Garth]

There's probably a Species 8472 serving on the Voyager-J.

Just to show how the times have changed.

 

[Borgminister]

NERD ALERT! I love it...

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's probably a Species 8472 serving on the Voyager-J.

Just to show how the times have changed.

Serving? He's the captain!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Don't see why not. For all we know, Admiral Vance is one in shape shifter mode.

 

[The Wormhole]

Species 8472 caused the Burn. Seriously, why hasn't anyone suggested that yet?

 

[ITDUDE]

Depends if they have to pay royalties to the writer who came up with them, or if CBS owns them outright

 

[Deks]

I have to wonder if The Burn effected Fluidic Space or not.

Species 8472 doesn't use dilithium, as far as I know, therefore Fluidic Space should be still intact and very much accessible for use by starships. I'm not certain if a starship could use its warp engines in Fluidic Space for small jumps across across non-Fluidic space that would actually traverse Federation space.

I also think that a list needs to be made of every species, prior to The Burn, that didn't employ dilithium in their warp engine system at all. Such factions would be a powerhouse in the 30th century to say the least.

Actually, in the double parter episode 'Scorpion' (from Voyager), when Chaktoay first entered the bioship and scanned it, he registered high concentration of antimatter particles... however, he did NOT mention anything in regards to dilithium crystals (but that doesn't mean they didn't use them).

Fluidic space is in another dimension. We don't know (yet) whether the Burn has extra-dimensional properties... and its possible that 8472 has moved on from antimatter in general and dilithium (provided they used dilithium in the first place).

If nothing really affected 8472 in the past 930, then I don't see them being gone anytime soon.
The Fluidic Space only contains them... and short of another Borg incursion from Milky Way (or another hostile species), its likely they are still around.

 

[The Wormhole]

Depends if they have to pay royalties to the writer who came up with them, or if CBS owns them outright

CBS owns them. Writers don't get ownership of the alien races they created. I guarantee you Hannah Louise Sheerer (writer of TNG The Price) did not see one cent any of the times a Barzan showed up on Disco.

 

[Dryson]

Other races as well might not have been effected. Staying with the evolution of the TOS timeline, from which Burnham came from, The Whale Probe would still be out there, somewhere as would V'Ger. Both would definitely not use dilithium but very exotic forms of matter. But since there has never been any real discussion or canon pertaining to the matter, per canon, both species exist in the 32nd century, somewhere.

 

[Mage]

CBS owns them. Writers don't get ownership of the alien races they created. I guarantee you Hannah Louise Sheerer (writer of TNG The Price) did not see one cent any of the times a Barzan showed up on Disco.

The reason that Doctor Who uses the Daleks once every season is because the creator of them made it so that if the BBC doesn't, all rights for the Daleks go back to him (or perhaps his family now) straight away. If they would want to reuse them at that point, they'd have to pay up. Short version of that anyway. I have no clue if something similar was done by writers on Star Trek

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, they probably exist.

And don't give a crap about other people so they won't factor in.

 

[The Wormhole]

The reason that Doctor Who uses the Daleks once every season is because the creator of them made it so that if the BBC doesn't, all rights for the Daleks go back to him (or perhaps his family now) straight away. If they would want to reuse them at that point, they'd have to pay up. Short version of that anyway. I have no clue if something similar was done by writers on Star Trek

I'm aware of the situation on Doctor Who with its aliens. However, that is a by-product of how copyright laws work in Britain. Copyright laws do not work the same way in America, and because of this, CBS owns all alien races in Star Trek, not the writers who created them.

Also, you've mixed up the situation with the Daleks. There is no danger of BBC losing the rights to use them if they go a year without using the Daleks. BBC just insists on the show using the Daleks every year for marketing purposes.

 

[Dryson]

Yes, they probably exist.

And don't give a crap about other people so they won't factor in.

It's not that the Undine don't care about the rest of the Universe, the Undine have technology that can propel starships without the need of dilithium crystals.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not that the Undine don't care about the rest of the Universe, the Undine have technology that can propel starships without the need of dilithium crystals.

They wouldn't share it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's not that the Undine don't care about the rest of the Universe, the Undine have technology that can propel starships without the need of dilithium crystals.

I had no idea they had a real name.