Does nuTrek Spock scare you?
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'Spock is a little warm teddy bear but no one knows about that' - Zoe Saldana
He's a guy I could get along with well
so adorkable
he has a good heart, he gets angry only if you truly provoke him (do.not.touch.his. momma) if you do, don't complain when he's kicking your a$$ (not making names but Kirk, Khan... little racist vulcan bullies...)
also think about it: vulcans are far stronger than humans so he could technically hurt people without even trying but he probably adapted himself so much to the humans and moderated his strength. Not for nothing but he's dating a human girl (who clearly is the one wearing the pants in the relationship, if you ask me. 'If you interrupt her now, you will not only incur the wrath of the Klingons, but that of Lieutenant Uhura as well' really, I can't not laugh at that and his face) and he had a human mother.
No, I never get the impression he is dangerous and could hurt people easily, vulcan or not. Control or not.
He's a guy I could get along with well
so adorkable he has a good heart, he gets angry only if you truly provoke him (do.not.touch.his. momma) if you do, don't complain when he's kicking your a$$ (not making names but Kirk, Khan... little racist vulcan bullies...)
also think about it: vulcans are far stronger than humans so he could technically hurt people without even trying but he probably adapted himself so much to the humans and moderated his strength. Not for nothing but he's dating a human girl (who clearly is the one wearing the pants in the relationship, if you ask me. 'If you interrupt her now, you will not only incur the wrath of the Klingons, but that of Lieutenant Uhura as well' really, I can't not laugh at that and his face) and he had a human mother.
No, I never get the impression he is dangerous and could hurt people easily, vulcan or not. Control or not.
Spock was still in control of his emotions. He had not seen Kirk die, or the ship be completely decimated by both Khan and Marcus. There was no reason to try and beat Khan up because he was in custody and would be tried accordingly.
However, when Kirk died, the latest in a long serious of deaths, especially in nuSpock's life, it sent him over, and he was going to make Khan pay, for all the death he inflicted.
nuSpock has been shown on numerous occasions to use the mind meld without consent of his "victims" (dying Romulan, dying Pike -- see a pattern?). While I agree that the Spock-Valeris thing in STVI was out of character, it's not like nuSpock is absolved here.
Well, not to quibble, but the Romulan was not dying but stunned, though I see your point. For Pike, I think it was to provide measure of comfort in his last moments rather than an invasive probing of his mind, like Valeris, or even the Romulan.
I think the point is that both Spocks can do things that are wrong, and that is the point. He is not perfect, and that is the point.
His meld in STiD wasn't about comforting, it was about his own (selfish) desire to know Pike's fears. Also, I should add that Spock tried to meld with Khan during their final battle -- *that* one was on par with Valeris (perhaps even worse).
Wait, what? Khan was attempting to murder Spock at the time, I'd say using any and all means at his disposal to defend himself is justified. Valaris, on the other hand, was helpless.
One could argue Valeris was withholding key information that was about to start an interstellar war. The needs of the many...
At any rate, the point is that nuSpock has shown wanton disregard for the sanctity of people's thoughts in almost as "inhuman" a fashion.
Or the Vulcan Kolinoscopy. Spock must have been constipated from all the plomeek soup.
One of my favorite lines, and a running theme in Trek 09, is Sarek's line regarding emotions:
The idea that Vulcans are emotionless is something that seems to have come from post TOS, because Vulcans are hard to play. Trek 09 portrays them in a slightly different way, showing that the emotions running under the surface, and that Spock struggles to control them. I think that is part of nuSpock's arc is reaching that serenity of logic.
So, it is a thin veneer and we discover what happens when it is broken, both in prime Spock and nuSpock
In STID, Spock was nearly killed by Khan a few times.
He was losing the fight until Uhura stunned Khan and Spock temporarily got the upper hand. Was he supposed to let him go then? Spock saw Khan in action on the Klingon planet. He had to go for the kill. Anything less and he took the risk of Khan escaping again.
He was losing the fight until Uhura stunned Khan and Spock temporarily got the upper hand. Was he supposed to let him go then? Spock saw Khan in action on the Klingon planet. He had to go for the kill. Anything less and he took the risk of Khan escaping again.
And even when he was all logicasl he could be scary. I mean we're talking about I guy who when faced with a crew member developing psychic automatically suggested either stranding or killing said crew member before they had done anything remotly threatening.
I thought he wanted to comfort/help Pike the only way he knew as well and the official novelization (based on the script) agrees with this interpretation and that when he melds he understands he can do nothing to heal the damage and keep him alive.
As for khan, that was clever because he essentially made him feel the pain he was giving to him. That's a self defense mindmeld if you want
Honestly, it speaks volumes of his connection with Pike that he melded with him even thought he didn't want to feel death ever again after his experience when the vulcans and his mom died in the other movie (you know vulcans are telepaths so do 2+2 with a scene from TOS and Spock here saying he felt grief for death 'multipled exponentially' the day his planet got destroyed) and his own scaring moment in the volcano when he accepted his own demise. He still put that aside to attempt to comfort a friend.
It's a moving scene, just his face when he feels what Pike is feeling and his eyes widens and he's obviously shaken and affected by what he feels. Pike's sad face an expression of all the fear and loneliness of a man dying...
That scene along with Amanda's death touched me and I thought Spock was the most in character for a vulcan in the way they showed his sadness and reactions. Quinto nailed it.
Btw, it must suck to be Spock, in a way. Vulcans feel deeply than the humans but probably his control is 'human' so it's worse for him than full vulcans.
Everything considered, you really need to provoke him a lot to see his violent side.
I love this looser cannon type Spock.
Don't get me wrong, I respect Prime Spock very much but I am digging the unpredictably Nu Spock brings to the table. It's like getting altered attitude Spock from All Our Yesterdays in every outing. Frankly I'll be sorry to see him eventually mellow out, if that is the plan for him.
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Don't get me wrong, I respect Prime Spock very much but I am digging the unpredictably Nu Spock brings to the table. It's like getting altered attitude Spock from All Our Yesterdays in every outing. Frankly I'll be sorry to see him eventually mellow out, if that is the plan for him.
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Phasers can stun, even Khan. He didn't need to personally deliver a beat-down.
The heroism of Spock, what makes him larger than life, are the times when he shows stoicism and restraint at a moment where most humans would lose their cool. nuSpock lacks this quality. The example I like to cite in contrast is how Spock steadies himself after he thinks he's killed Kirk in Amok Time and says he's ready to accept the consequences. nuSpock would have fallen to his knees and cried. By making nuSpock more human, they made him less special. The pleasure of watching Spock in those moments of TOS (which Nimoy himself attests to) was the way the audience looks for a faint glimmer of emotion behind the facade, whether Nimoy is providing a hint of it or not. Those subtleties are missing from nuSpock. Instead JJ seems to be putting forth the conventional Dr. Phil notion that suppressing emotions is unnatural and weak and that the only way to have Spock grow is to have him blow his stack or cry like a baby. The script tips its hand pretty overtly in the lover's quarrel between Spock and Uhura on the pseudo-millenium falcon. nuSpock sounds almost apologetic over his nature, almost saying that he's been effectively abused by his childhood in being raised that way. Vulcan logic is presented as merely a character flaw, not as something that has any intrinsic merit. TOS and the movies say that logic does have merit, and that vulcans are worthy of respect for achieving their discipline, but for Spock it isn't the be-all-end-all.
Um, were we watching the same movie, becuase Khan was shrugging off phaser stuns rather easily, hell he walked off a nerve pinch for pete's sake.
I agree with you.
Nimoys spin on Spock makes him such a special character that has survived 40 years of pop culture.
But JJ hasn't gone that way. Either he never understood TOS Spock or he thinks 21st century audiences can't relate to him.
nuSpock is as subtle as a brick. But some people seem to like him that way. I'm not criticising Quinto here - hes doing what they tell him.
Nimoy Spock apparently invented the nerve pinch in order to avoid his character being involved in fisticuffs. And it was cool. Kirk got into scuffles and Spock for the most part regally looked on. nuSpock just joins in the fights.
I judge nuSpock by human standards. His actions in ST09 and STID are not unreasonable for a human. Khan had been stunned before and got up. Spock had to stop Khan at any cost. If he grabbed the phaser and set it to kill he would have also been justified but not been a gallant Starfleet Officer,
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