Came to say this. I'll never understand the need to split hairs over continuity or "real Star Trek." Star Trek is alive and well and being demonstrated in new ways.
Does it make you feel good that the prime timeline is alive and well?
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It's like I've said a million times. It is not, and was never intended to be, one long unified story. People got spoiled in the 90s with all the overlap that was produced by the same people. That ain't the reality of Star Trek though.
Some day you'll have to swallow the "Discovery is in the prime universe" pill.
It does make me very happy that Nemesis is no longer the end of Star Trek history, and that the story of Star Trek has been reopened for new chapters, forward in time, not back.
My position on the fact that there are very different stylistic approaches to Star Trek is that it's like different historians imposing their own perspective on a fictional, unified history. Any differences can be explained just that two different people read different things into the history, and filled in the gaps with their own experience to tell their own story.
Just like a high school textbook author would write a story about Christopher Columbus as a heroic explorer but a more honest author would write him as a fortune-crazed genocidal slave driver. If Discovery has discrepancies with TOS, or TOS with TNG, just different authors applied different perspectives to the same events.
The Star Trek universe is more fun when it's unified than if every new franchise was a total reset. If the universe is unified, it's an exciting, gigantic engrossing universe that captures my imagination, and every new series makes it even better. If the universe is not unified, then every new series is just another remake, like a new Spiderman film, or a new King Kong. And I'm no more excited about it than any other scifi series and would frankly prefer an original IP.
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I'm just hoping with a new show comes whole new design aesthetics and teams to reimagine it all - esp. the sets and the uniforms and the aliens and the objective POV be the story and universe itself which I hope is back to basics. I also hope it is much a more complex formulaic consistency than what we got in TNG which was a he said/she said convoluted mind twist.
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Since Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman are involved, there's no way the Picard webseries will be Prime.
Who are you going to believe, common sense that STD is NOT Prime due to multiple examples or your lying eyes because a greedy corporation run by the likes of Les Moonves says it's Prime? Anyone involved with STD that says it's Prime, is merely paying lip service to fans
Memo: Alex Kurtzman
This would be relevant only is there were a flashback and Kirk's hair looks significantly different than the way it previously did.
Season three TOS Scott isn't in a different universe simply because his hair is different, but if there were a flashback to season one, and he was sporting season three hair that would mean something.
Admittedly Kirk occasionally changed his hair style.
If Riker and Troi were depicted aboard (say) the Titan during the ENT episode, then their appearance change would be simply a matter of the character's having changed over time.
Hell yes!
1. It's not a prequel. No more canon landmines to avoid or laughable visual and technological differences to what we saw in TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager which are supposed to be set after. No more trying to fit a square peg into a round hole basically. If the technology looks more advanced then that's because the timeline has moved forward and such advancements are to be expected.
2. Picard is back. The most iconic Star Trek character of the 90s played by the greatest actor in the franchise. If all else fails its going to be a tour de force of acting.
3. It's undeniably, unequivocally a return to the Prime timeline without the need to pussyfoot around canon. Anything can happen going forward. There are too many limitations with prequels.
4. Can't wait to see Cardassians, Borg, Ferengi and the other species who haven't gotten much attention for the past 20 years.
5. The Next Generation is finally acknowledged as a big deal. I got so tried of so called fans trying to diminish its popularity and impact and telling others the TNG era is dead and never coming back. Welcome to the 25th Century, bitches
1. It's not a prequel. No more canon landmines to avoid or laughable visual and technological differences to what we saw in TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager which are supposed to be set after. No more trying to fit a square peg into a round hole basically. If the technology looks more advanced then that's because the timeline has moved forward and such advancements are to be expected.
2. Picard is back. The most iconic Star Trek character of the 90s played by the greatest actor in the franchise. If all else fails its going to be a tour de force of acting.
3. It's undeniably, unequivocally a return to the Prime timeline without the need to pussyfoot around canon. Anything can happen going forward. There are too many limitations with prequels.
4. Can't wait to see Cardassians, Borg, Ferengi and the other species who haven't gotten much attention for the past 20 years.
5. The Next Generation is finally acknowledged as a big deal. I got so tried of so called fans trying to diminish its popularity and impact and telling others the TNG era is dead and never coming back. Welcome to the 25th Century, bitches
I'm curious how they'll depict 2499 as more advanced than their version of 2257.
Is it really a return to the prime universe, though? It could just as easily turn out to be a Logan-style futurefic where some events from previous instalments explicitly didn't happen.
I suspect they're all going to look different, like Discocvery and the Kelvin movies have changed established Trek races.
The era may be back, but I'll be surprised if the storytelling style still exists outlive of the Orville universe.5. The Next Generation is finally acknowledged as a big deal. I got so tried of so called fans trying to diminish its popularity and impact and telling others the TNG era is dead and never coming back. Welcome to the 25th Century, bitches
I really don't think so. It restricts the creative team to have to follow what was established 50 or 30 or 15 years ago. I just want the best sci-fi stories possible.
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Then they should go create their own show. Star Trek has a legacy. Canon is only a problem with prequels anyway. Anything that happens after the fact can be altered to suit current purposes. Transwarp technology? It's more dangerous than we thought so we don't use it anymore. Make the reason being that it resulted in the destruction of 12 star systems to really hammer the point home. No need to worry about transwarp anymore. Canon is a benefit, not an albatross. We wouldn't be here talking about all the new Trek shows if fans weren't attached to the legacy of what's come before.
There's a balance to be struck. The fact that canon is constantly used as a baseball bat to beat about newer productions (Not just DSC, but ENT, and even TWOK if one is willing to dig) is what discourages me from embracing a "canon or nothing" approach.
I use to be a canon Nazi, that way lied madness. When Star Trek (2009) came out, I was spewing venom over the perceived canon slights vs really enjoying the actual movie (I saw it four times in the theater).
At that point, I figured canon or continuity wasn't as important as a fun, engaging story.
As far as Discovery is concerned, I would've preferred CBS to just have said it is "Star Trek" and let the chips fall where they may. It would've given them the freedom to follow the "relevant to today" elements of the franchise and eject anything that simply didn't work. When they beat us over the head with its "Prime", they do set up certain expectations of what the product should be. It may not bother me to the extent it once did, but it still rings hollow compared to the show they've produced (I know Star Trek really well, having watched it all my life
). Discovery really feels like a reboot in everything but name. And you can't say you consider it a reboot, because a certain contingent comes running with "but CBS says!!!"As in all things, everyone's mileage may vary.
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Some of these species could be dead - wiped out as part of the plot.
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