It's comfort food. That's more important than anything new.
Which is fine but don't tell me Trek is groundbreaking or imagining a better future.
Spoilers Does it feel to anyone else that SNW is cynically mining Trek's past glories?
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Which is fine but don't tell me Trek is groundbreaking or imagining a better future.
Agreed. SNW seems far more fresh than say Enterprise or Voyager did in their early years. For me that was when the franchise started feeling stale as I felt like I was re-watching TNG stories, only not has well executed.
I recently did a re-watch of the TOS and noticed that "god like being toying with the crew" story got repeated WAY too much. The only episode I can think of where SNW repeated anything was last season's finale, and I give that a pass as that was an alternate "what if" episode.
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Because sometimes new stuff actually is good. I wouldn't want to be stuck with TOS brownface Klingons or TNG Ferengi hopping around
Nowhere did I say that all new stuff was bad. I was just acknowledging that nostalgia and repetition are also factors in people's affection for Trek.
Ya maybe a Star Trek show where someone goes on some sort of Discovery. You could do it different to before and have story arcs and maybe concentrate on a single character who isn't captain.
My quibbles aside, I've found quite a bit to like about every Star Trek series. I'm talking about things that hurt me and things that I wouldn't do if I were in charge. But I'm not in charge so I get to rant about it on a message board.
That said, I would have started out this era of Trek with Discovery in the 32nd century in season ONE and gone from there. Naturally some references would happen, but we're not retreading. Like what TNG did with TOS.
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why? that was when the series turned shit and creativitly bankrupt.
Looking at the ships from Season 1, I have amended my opinion that while I like Discovery 10 years before TOS, I would actually enjoy it a bit more in the 26th century, or late 25th. Still have some connections to the past, but have the spore drive and then maybe a jump to the future or another galaxy with the spore drive, and explore that spore realm.
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I guess you never heard of the fan response that PICARD season 3 got<--- that entire season was Star Trek Nostalgia on steroids.
Agreed. It would've made much more sense that way, and they would've had more freedom to tell their story. All of the TOS connections could've been adjusted with some minor rewriting.
Question from the floor-would DSC SNW and such be easier on the old continuity eyes if it was 26th century? Instead of a prequel you just advanced another century?
DSC, yes, absolutely. SNW, no. That would kill the entire point of the series.
On DSC, the TOS references are window dressing. On SNW, it's 75% of the reason the show exists.
Can someone explain to me why the internet hasn't figured out a go-to 'grasping at straws' meme yet?
Maybe. Take some reworking and off you go to the races.
No, absolutely not. The Berman era 24th century already made Star Trek bland and overly preachy; (and STD lost me when they jumped to the 32nd century, and while I'll take a look, I at this time have little top no interest in the upcoming StarFleet Academy series because it's set it the 32nd century) - but for me - going farther into the future just makes everything more boring and the Federation more 'perfect/preachy' because (per GR) man will always 'be better in the future'.
TLDR: No. I don't want any more 'magic tech' and boring 'perfect' humans in my Trek, thanks.
Don't approve of concentrating on a single character. That was Discovery where Diverse Female Burnham (Archangel Michael, whose mother is Archangel Gabriel) , is portrayed as the ONE person responsble for everything good in the universe. Kurzman said that was his goal in creating her. The show would revolve around this ONE person. YAWN.
Can you show me where he said this?
To the thread's question, I'm torn. SNW is a prequel, so I expect, and often like seeing, ties to TOS. I enjoyed the fourth season of ENT the most of that series because I felt it was finally delivering on being a prequel to TOS. That said, I do feel that Strange New Worlds, as well as Discovery, are misnamed. Like I feel that there's been very little exploration, or discovery, on said series, I also feel that SNW doesn't give us enough actual strange new worlds. It's like the creators have been given the keys to a cherished toy box and they can't help but play with toys they've wanted to for a long time, instead of delivering on the promise of the series title. Being a prequel, and not even one that has almost 100 years of space between them like ENT and TOS limits their options, as well as the use of legacy characters that were later on TOS, but I would like to see them flesh out and stretch out what space they do have.
I think Hollywood's, as well as the audience's receptivity to nostalgia, also factors into it. People have liked the Easter Eggs in the past, and Hollywood has poured them on. Now it feels like Hollywood just slathers on nostalgia without seeing if that's what the audience is still as receptive to, or is demanding.
I think it should be a balance. There's nothing wrong with honoring a franchise with a storied legacy, though at the same time, I think SNW should strive more to stand on its own, so that newcomers or casual fans will understand what's going on, or why a said character or bit of dialogue matters without having to go to Memory Alpha or have it explained. Being very nostalgia driven I don't think will bring in new people, which defeats ultimately whatever Paramount's plans are to expand the franchise.
I think Hollywood's, as well as the audience's receptivity to nostalgia, also factors into it. People have liked the Easter Eggs in the past, and Hollywood has poured them on. Now it feels like Hollywood just slathers on nostalgia without seeing if that's what the audience is still as receptive to, or is demanding.
I think it should be a balance. There's nothing wrong with honoring a franchise with a storied legacy, though at the same time, I think SNW should strive more to stand on its own, so that newcomers or casual fans will understand what's going on, or why a said character or bit of dialogue matters without having to go to Memory Alpha or have it explained. Being very nostalgia driven I don't think will bring in new people, which defeats ultimately whatever Paramount's plans are to expand the franchise.
