Seems like many people don't like "Move Along Home" episode. I kinda enjoyed it 
Does anyone find DS9 to be a bit of a yawn?
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Well, if that's what you want...
DS9 vs B5 is an argument that's been done to death and is certainly not worth re-hashing here, but suffice it to say I strongly disagree. That's not to put down DS9, since it's a great show, but it can't match Babylon 5 for me.
On a final positive note .. as far as space stations go .. DS9 craps all over Babylon 5 ..
Oh hell! .. now all the B5 fanatics are going to go for my throat.
Well, if that's what you want...
DS9 vs B5 is an argument that's been done to death and is certainly not worth re-hashing here, but suffice it to say I strongly disagree. That's not to put down DS9, since it's a great show, but it can't match Babylon 5 for me.
Seems like many people don't like "Move Along Home" episode. I kinda enjoyed it
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion ... I mean, I concede, it did have some funny bits, like when Quark was groveling to the aliens, but overall? Ick. And can we say lamest aliens ever? Glad we never saw them again. And that stupid ryhme they had to sing, that alone makes me hate the episode. If I'm not careful I'll get it stuck in my head again... auugh!
For the most part I really love DS9 though.
Perhaps the Magratheans built two copies?Ah, Miri's Planet.
I especially loved how there was absolutely no reason given in the episode itself for why the planet was an exact duplicate of Earth.
Seriously, what was the point?
Miri's Planet is one of those weird things that's better off being forgotten about, just like Warp 10 from Threshold, and Quark's rapid sex change.
As for DS9's first couple of seasons, in my opinion, the problem was that the show was too much like TNG, not that it wasn't enough like it. DS9 was at its best when it was dealing with its premise, such as Bajoran politics, but there was too many alien/anomaly-of-the-week style episodes. The Bajorans weren't the problem with seasons 1 and 2, episodes like The Passenger, If Wishes Were Horses and Playing God were the problem. When Ira Behr took over, he seemed to have a vision that DS9 shouldn't be like TNG or Voyager and he focused more on the things that made DS9 unique. Michael Piller was a good writer and is responsible for making TNG as great as it was, but he didn't have the vision for DS9 that others did.
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That was a bit of a joke in an attempt to defuse emotional reactions to my initial query. Seems to have backfired.
Never mind .. I've since learned that "treading carefully" is the way to go in this sensitive environment.
On a final positive note .. as far as space stations go .. DS9 craps all over Babylon 5 ..
Oh hell! .. now all the B5 fanatics are going to go for my throat.
Well, if that's what you want...
DS9 vs B5 is an argument that's been done to death and is certainly not worth re-hashing here, but suffice it to say I strongly disagree. That's not to put down DS9, since it's a great show, but it can't match Babylon 5 for me.
That was a bit of a joke in an attempt to defuse emotional reactions to my initial query. Seems to have backfired.
Never mind .. I've since learned that "treading carefully" is the way to go in this sensitive environment.
You know .. I was just thinking about some of the reactions to my O.P. I absolutely LOVE Voyager .. but if someone said me "Voyager is a bit boring" .. I really wouldn't bat an eyelid. It IS just a TV show after all... and they are entitled to their opinion. (Unless they live in China!) I'll be hitting 52 in October .. could that be why? Maturity? I don't know. Maybe I'm just a fan and not fanatical. Maybe I should be???
It could be that the OP is someone who is outside of the United States or lives in a rural area where one does not have access to the DVD stores.
I live in China and my DVD's are all pirated. I have TOS, TNG and DS9. I could of bought Voyager, but I passed on that, since I can watch that series online on the Chinese video sites. There is another website where I can watch all the Star Trek movies and the latest release.
I am watching Enterprise on the internet now.
I don't download videos, takes too long. I used to, but an hour show would take two days to download. I simply wait until the episode goes on the air in the United States, and within two or three days, a Chinese website will air it.
The downside about living overseas is that we cannot watch a lot of video content from the United States. Sites like HULU and the networks will disallow anyone out of the USA from watching their series. I pull my hair when I see that! Argh! What's also bad is that I cannot listen to my hometown radio station, because I live outside of the USA. I used to be able to, but not anymore. So much for the Worldwide web.
I live in China and my DVD's are all pirated. I have TOS, TNG and DS9. I could of bought Voyager, but I passed on that, since I can watch that series online on the Chinese video sites. There is another website where I can watch all the Star Trek movies and the latest release.
I am watching Enterprise on the internet now.
I don't download videos, takes too long. I used to, but an hour show would take two days to download. I simply wait until the episode goes on the air in the United States, and within two or three days, a Chinese website will air it.
The downside about living overseas is that we cannot watch a lot of video content from the United States. Sites like HULU and the networks will disallow anyone out of the USA from watching their series. I pull my hair when I see that! Argh! What's also bad is that I cannot listen to my hometown radio station, because I live outside of the USA. I used to be able to, but not anymore. So much for the Worldwide web.
Yes. I mentioned I live in Thailand already. You really can't find legal copies of many things. This is the "land of copiers". They even have a museum in Bangkok that displays all the copied stuff available here. Books, DVDs, Clothing, handbags, perfume, shoes, sportswear, motorcycle and car parts .. you name it.
I actually managed to track down a legal copy of Windows XP last year .. and the guy had to double check to make sure I actually wanted it. Instead of the cheaper copies he had.
Like I said earlier .. people trying to sell legal stuff just can't compete the illegal stuff. As they say here .. "TIT" (this is Thailand)
Must be the same in China?
^ You can't buy legal copies online and have them shipped?
Either way, since the talk about watching pirated stuff continues, this thread'll be locked soon anyway I guess...
With all the talk of stations in Star Trek, it would actually a bit odd not to have one in a series, either full or part time. The Cardassians withdrawing and the Bajorans asking for aid was just an "in" to that end- and since it became a giant weapons platform for keeping out my awesome bad guys...
DS9 as a whole had some weak episodes- and some exciting ones... depends on what you like, but it had something for everyone - drama, romance, action, danger, mystery, intrigue...
Either way, since the talk about watching pirated stuff continues, this thread'll be locked soon anyway I guess...
With all the talk of stations in Star Trek, it would actually a bit odd not to have one in a series, either full or part time. The Cardassians withdrawing and the Bajorans asking for aid was just an "in" to that end- and since it became a giant weapons platform for keeping out my awesome bad guys...
DS9 as a whole had some weak episodes- and some exciting ones... depends on what you like, but it had something for everyone - drama, romance, action, danger, mystery, intrigue...
Not especially. Frankly, I think you're reading the situation incorrectly; I don't think there was a hostile reaction to your opinion of DS9, there was a hostile reaction to your use of torrents, and those things got confused.
If you don't like DS9 that's fine, but you need to articulate why. What about DS9 do you consider to be dull? Is there specific characters that bore you? Which episodes bore you? What episodes did you enjoy, if any? If you want to discuss why you dislike DS9 that's fine, that way we can advise you of what to expect from the future of the show.
As has been said many times, the first couple of seasons of DS9 aren't great and contain several episodes that even hardcore fans cannot enjoy. For example, The Passenger (the episode where Dr Bashir's body is taken over by a criminal) is possibly my least favourite episode from season 1, it has a routine sci-fi plot that doesn't work on DS9, and Siddig El Fadil's acting is woeful. If you found that episode boring then I can't blame you.
Actually, he did say that he has watched up to some point in early season 3 on Australian TV, but only after I asked.
Essentially, he has seen the least popular seasons, the ones with the greatest proportions of dull episodes, and since he has never been on a Trek message board before he had no idea that those are the least popular and that the show changed significantly during seasons 3 and 4. Think about it, if you had only seen the first couple of seasons you might think it's a bit dull too, and with good reason.keekwai, there's another thing you should note; criticising DS9 for being dull because they're stuck on a space station and not out exploring hits a nerve with some Niners because that's a very old joke that many of us had to put up with for years. DS9 wasn't always as popular as it is now, it was called "The best show on television that nobody watched" for a reason... not many people watched it, not even Star Trek fans. Lots of people did give up on DS9 early or chose not to watch it altogether precisely because it was set on a space station. I remember during BBC2's Star Trek night in 2001 the show was pretty much disregarded as "a bus station in space". It didn't matter that the show had an epic story that involved all the major Star Trek races (except the Borg)... no, to some people it wasn't a proper Star Trek show because it was on a space station.
Actually, he did say that he has watched up to some point in early season 3 on Australian TV, but only after I asked.
keekwai, there's another thing you should note; criticising DS9 for being dull because they're stuck on a space station and not out exploring hits a nerve with some Niners because that's a very old joke that many of us had to put up with for years. DS9 wasn't always as popular as it is now, it was called "The best show on television that nobody watched" for a reason... not many people watched it, not even Star Trek fans. Lots of people did give up on DS9 early or chose not to watch it altogether precisely because it was set on a space station. I remember during BBC2's Star Trek night in 2001 the show was pretty much disregarded as "a bus station in space". It didn't matter that the show had an epic story that involved all the major Star Trek races (except the Borg)... no, to some people it wasn't a proper Star Trek show because it was on a space station.
Ah, thanks. I tried reading the thread but it was two pages of... well, you know.
Indeed. I've tried to stop .. but people keep bringing it up again .. just like your good self.
If you want to escape the loop you could just attempt to answer my questions. What parts of DS9 did you find dull? Was there any episodes you remember liking? What episodes of the other Star Trek series are your favourites.
If you want to get a taste for what DS9 is like in season 3-7 then you can watch this video, so long as you don't mind being spoiled on a few things. Like I've said, it's very different from the first two seasons.
What parts of DS9 did you find dull? Was there any episodes you remember liking? What episodes of the other Star Trek series are your favourites.If you want to get a taste for what DS9 is like in season 3-7 then you can watch this video, so long as you don't mind being spoiled on a few things. Like I've said, it's very different from the first two seasons.
If you want to escape the loop you could just attempt to answer my questions.
My comment on it being "a bit of a yawn" was a generalisation .. apparently against the "rules". Let's leave it at that. I have my answer.
There IS a lot I'd like to add on other matters (not the "you know what" one) .. but it would only inflame other members and indeed WOULD be trollish.
It's 8 a.m here and I'm off to teach a classroom of screaming 10 year olds in an English program. Should be a smooth transition. (just joking guys! .. sort of)
Indeed. I've tried to stop .. but people keep bringing it up again .. just like your good self.
No, it was in your post directly above mine.
But moving on, it's fine if you've seen actual DS9 episodes and have a bone with them
People are always going on about the Visitor, and one of my least favourite episodes.
But you can't generalize about something you haven't seen being boring. Asking us if we find it boring isn't any good either- that's subjective.
Nobody ever said it was against the rules, the only problem I have with it is that it's a generalisation and I'm interested in learning why you feel that way. There's nothing in the rules saying you can't criticise the shows, here's the relevant part:
The truth is this: we all enjoy it around here when someone new gets into Star Trek, it's always fun to see fresh eyes exploring this franchise that most of us know far too much about.
You haven't experienced DS9, at least you haven't experienced the truly great part of DS9, so it would be great if you were to watch it and, hopefully, enjoy it. I think that most of us in this forum would like to see that. I don't know about anybody else, but I know that I'm interested in your opinion and I don't take offence with people just because they don't like my favourite show. I mean, I don't like Voyager and I did a thread last year reviewing that show where I pointed out the various faults I saw in that show, but that doesn't mean that Voyager fans hated me. (They hated me for completely unrelated reasons.
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I think I can relate to the person who started this thread in a lot of ways. When I first started watching DS9 in 2008, I had a lot of trouble getting into it in the early seasons. I found most of season 1 and the first half of season 2 just torture to watch...extremely boring, aside from the occasional interesting idea/moment/character. I started getting into it midway into season 2 (was blown away by "Whispers"), but it didn't take long before I started getting bored again.
I think it's definitely the most inconsistent Star Trek series I've seen. It would be terrible for consecutive episodes, then hit a home run, then go back to sucking. It wasn't until season 4 that I felt it finally got into a groove where pretty much every episode was great or at least good. That's a long time for a series to take before achieving consistent high quality. I think part of the problem was the series going in so many directions and covering so many subjects.
I would like some of them and dislike others, so one episode would engage me and then the next would bore me, unlike in the previous series where the stories were generally more formulaic, so it was easy to get comfortable once you got used to the formula (if you liked the formula). As I've said before, sometimes the show's ambitiousness was its best quality and sometimes the show's ambitiousness was its undoing.
I think it's definitely the most inconsistent Star Trek series I've seen. It would be terrible for consecutive episodes, then hit a home run, then go back to sucking. It wasn't until season 4 that I felt it finally got into a groove where pretty much every episode was great or at least good. That's a long time for a series to take before achieving consistent high quality. I think part of the problem was the series going in so many directions and covering so many subjects.
I would like some of them and dislike others, so one episode would engage me and then the next would bore me, unlike in the previous series where the stories were generally more formulaic, so it was easy to get comfortable once you got used to the formula (if you liked the formula). As I've said before, sometimes the show's ambitiousness was its best quality and sometimes the show's ambitiousness was its undoing.
