Doctor Who – 4x13 – Journey’s End (Grade/Discuss)

[The]

Ah, but he'd already regenerated into the 10th Doctor before the hand was cut off. So I see no reason for Ecclestoneossity to occur.

Sure, I agree. However, RTD is not known for his strict logic and hard science. If Donna can become half-Timelord, I think Eccles can be the hand. Given everyone else is there, why not?

Hmm...I hadn't thought of that before. I can see what you're saying, but I don't think there's no way of ever telling for certain, short of Davies confessing.

Oh I agree, there's no way to really know for certain. But, watch the performance. The "Run" out of the TARDIS towards Davros, the manic grinning and 'rough' edges. Not to mention he's the one staying with Rose, and in my opinion Doc 9 loved her the most, and she needed him the most.

But, again, who knows...

 

[zenophite]

I just made a post in another thread about a detail that I quite liked about the episode that I forgot to mention here.

Did anyone else get a kick out of Sarah telling The Doctor about her son and then leaving him and saying "I'll explain later"? A line usually used by The Doctor on his companions.
A nice little role reversal.

did they explain that little bit where she recognized mickey and the whole "we smiths have to stick together" thing?

 

[Cutter John]

Ah, but he'd already regenerated into the 10th Doctor before the hand was cut off. So I see no reason for Ecclestoneossity to occur.

Sure, I agree. However, RTD is not known for his strict logic and hard science. If Donna can become half-Timelord, I think Eccles can be the hand. Given everyone else is there, why not?

I'm sure that if Eccleston had been willing they could've come up with a technobabble way to bring him back. The pure fangasm factor would trump story logic, and I don't think anyone outside of OG would complain.

 

[Servo]

I just made a post in another thread about a detail that I quite liked about the episode that I forgot to mention here.

Did anyone else get a kick out of Sarah telling The Doctor about her son and then leaving him and saying "I'll explain later"? A line usually used by The Doctor on his companions.
A nice little role reversal.

did they explain that little bit where she recognized mickey and the whole "we smiths have to stick together" thing?

What's to explain? They met and fought the Krillitane together alongside the Doctor, Rose and K9 in series 2's School Reunion.

 

[Eminence]

Did anyone else get a kick out of Sarah telling The Doctor about her son and then leaving him and saying "I'll explain later"? A line usually used by The Doctor on his companions.
A nice little role reversal.

Sarah Jane was one of the highlights of the episode, but then I've always been partial to her because she's like a refreshing breath of air in whatever episode she's in. I particularly loved how she gently chided the Doctor about acting like the loneliest man in the universe when he already has tons of people who care about him.

 

[Csalem]

Bit late to the party here and I'm sorry for not reading all twenty pages but here are my thoughts. I loved it, probably my favourite season finale, in fact I think this would have been a brilliant series finale if the show never returned. I thought all the characters did get their moment though I feel sorry for Martha. Her role seems to be to go on long walks/journeys:LOTTL, TDD and here where she goes New York - London - Germany. Thought the regeneration was a cop out but then I thought it was paid-off well. Davros was slightly underused but maybe that was a good thing. This was really an episode about the Doctor and his companions.

As for Catherine Tate and Donna, I think she maybe my new favourite companion. I think Donna had the best story of any off them.

 

[Cutter John]

Quite right. Donna, and sometimes Ace are probably the only companions that'll make me fast forward the episode just to get to their bits.

 

[cultcross]

Just saw it on iplayer, sorry haven't read the preceding 20 pages, but I voted "Below Average". After the utter awesomeness of last week, I was disappointed. A multitude of sci fi clichés and dei ex machinis which didn't really thrill me. A shame. The Rose send off was contrived, the multiple Doctors thing silly, and the spin off casts were entirely superfluous.

 

[TigerBait]

what was the title for confidential this week, gotta get the lowdown?

 

[jbny67]

what was the title for confidential this week, gotta get the lowdown?

End of An Era

 

[USS KG5]

dei ex machinis

There were not any Deux Ex Machina solutions in the show - but hopefully when you look up how to spell it you can look up what it is??

 

[Servo]

dei ex machinis

There were not any Deux Ex Machina solutions in the show - but hopefully when you look up how to spell it you can look up what it is??

Erm, "dei ex machinis" is the plural of deus ex machina, which you even failed to spell correctly yourself.

 

[exalted one]

Re: Doctor Who – 4x13 – Journey’s End (Grade/Discuss)

There were not any Deux Ex Machina solutions in the show

For instance, DoctorDonna and DonnaDoctor are two "dei", even though they are coming out from one "machina"...

 

[Admiral_Young]

That was my single favourite episode of the reborn Doctor Who, not that I am familar with the previous series but have done my research and know what has gone before and the significance of bringing back all the old characters. Bloody brilliant episode everything about it from the acting, dialouge, set designs, visual effects, once more Murray Gold's score is outstanding and I'm eagerly awaiting the series four soundtrack, hopefully like the last couple of years sometime in November. I wasn't sure how RTD and company were going to top last series finale but they managed it and in a big way!!!

Loved the German speaking Dalek's like everyone else, Davros was awesome and I understand Dalek Caan's plan in a sort of bizzare way he explains it himself...he saw what the Dalek's had done in the past and wanted to stop it and knew the only person who could was the Doctor and needed to lure him using Davros. Everyone looked like they had a blast on set reunited again. Elizabeth Sladen is still hot...it was fun to see Jackie and Mickey...the duplicate half human Doctor seemed to me was another version of the Ninth Doctor but in the form of the Tenth. The Doctor explains to Rose that he was like me when she met him, fueled with anger and rage over the atrocities he committed during the Time War, I loved the human Doctor's expressions while they were towing the Earth in the Tardis, he looked as if he was actually enjoying himself.

Once more Catherine Tate has made this series fantastic with her acting and playfullness...I am a little choked with what they did to her at the end and shed a few tears as she had become my favourite companion. Willifred steals the scene for one last time. I guess its true about all good things must come to an end...even if they shouldn't. I loved the Doctor Donna though its too bad having the Time Lord stuff would kill her, like Rose absorbing the Vortex in Parting of the Ways. It would have been cool if it was revealed that Donna was another incarnation of Romana but then thinking about that it would ruin her character I think.

Rose finally gets her Doctor...although a version of him even she knows that he isn't the real thing but I am assuming she will grow to love each other. Interesting to see that Mickey returns to our universe and it looks like as everyone else has mentioned he will be joining Torchwood with Martha and Jack. I loved Jack's line about not knowning what to think about the three doctor's, his mind must've racing with possibilities lol.

I assume that Luke calling Sarah Jane "Mum" was a big deal...I haven't seen any episodes of "The Sarah Jane Adventures" and seeing K9 again even briefly was very cool.

Did I mention how bad ass Murray Gold's score was? Finally...it looks as though we're going to get the Return of the Cyberman at Christmas time!!! This was a very different ending to the previous seasons which have always ended on a note of hope, this was sombre and sad as the Doctor once again is alone. Are we going to get a few of the specials with just the Doctor and no companion?

 

[USS KG5]

dei ex machinis

There were not any Deux Ex Machina solutions in the show - but hopefully when you look up how to spell it you can look up what it is??

Erm, "dei ex machinis" is the plural of deus ex machina, which you even failed to spell correctly yourself.

- OK that one backfired over the plural - but I got the spelling right, how do you spell it?

Edit: oh just noticed I whacked "x" on instead of "s" - typo!

You are still wrong about the show though - all the resolutions were mapped out, and in fact Donna's fate was hinted at throughout the season.

The idea of a the Daleks having a central power source you could overload is certainly convenient but it is fairly common in sci-fi, plus they were bound to be destroyed by a thingummy of some kind, and a pitched battle would not have fitted in the show.

Rose's resolution was just sweet I thought.

The DoctorDonna though was a great idea, and fitted wonderfully for me.

 

[wamdue]

I assume that Luke calling Sarah Jane "Mum" was a big deal...I haven't seen any episodes of "The Sarah Jane Adventures" and seeing K9 again even briefly was very cool.

they did make a big deal of that in 2nd & 3rd SJA episode, I think they settled on him calling her mum after that.

 

[The Squire of Gothos]

Having never seen torchwood Gwen's looking real hot with some of her mannerisms.

Actually find I'm fancying her more and more...to be fair she usually ruins it by talking! She has a fantastic arse though (sorry to go off topic!)

You mean what she says or her accent? Because I do like the Welsh accent, it's sort of lyrical.

One other thing, how come the half human Doctor lives yet half human Donna has to have her memory wiped or she dies? The half human Doctor didn't have to suffer this, he was able to remember what he said to Rose before in Bad Wolf bay, so the Doctor didn't do a mind wipe on him before he left.

Or perhaps shortly after he left, Rose was left with a vegetable, I like that idea

 

[Servo]

I assume that Luke calling Sarah Jane "Mum" was a big deal...I haven't seen any episodes of "The Sarah Jane Adventures" and seeing K9 again even briefly was very cool.

they did make a big deal of that in 2nd & 3rd SJA episode, I think they settled on him calling her mum after that.

Having not watched SJA, I didn't really think it was supposed to be a big deal. Someone on another board seemed to think that her exuberant "YES!" reaction was in response to him calling her "Mum", wheras I just thought she was glad to see he was still alive, given the death and destruction that was taking place on Earth.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Having never seen torchwood Gwen's looking real hot with some of her mannerisms.

Actually find I'm fancying her more and more...to be fair she usually ruins it by talking! She has a fantastic arse though (sorry to go off topic!)

You mean what she says or her accent? Because I do like the Welsh accent, it's sort of lyrical.

One other thing, how come the half human Doctor lives yet half human Donna has to have her memory wiped or she dies? The half human Doctor didn't have to suffer this, he was able to remember what he said to Rose before in Bad Wolf bay, so the Doctor didn't do a mind wipe on him before he left.

Or perhaps shortly after he left, Rose was left with a vegetable, I like that idea

because the Doctor was biologically half (not 50/50) human, meanwhile Donna just got information stuffed into her all too human brain. Imagine trying to stuff everything in your current computer into a commodore 64?

It'd be like that guy from Monty Python and Meaning of Life who exploded from over eating.

 

[jbny67]

It'd be like that guy from Monty Python and Meaning of Life who exploded from over eating.

Very good analogy.