I know they were talking about how close it was going to be, with Phil Colinson saying he'd be running through London on the day of transmission. I didn't realise that was actually so close.
Doctor Who – 4x13 – Journey’s End (Grade/Discuss)
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And a lot of location shooting.
I love that making a season half the length of a US show takes 'all year'
(I'm not bashing there btw, I just think the different attitudes are funny)
Actually that should make you think of even more rushed some of our longer seasoned shows are anymore it's just insane anymore.
I love that making a season half the length of a US show takes 'all year'
(I'm not bashing there btw, I just think the different attitudes are funny)
Actually that should make you think of even more rushed some of our longer seasoned shows are anymore it's just insane anymore.
I'm sorry but what were you trying to say there?
I took it as, the length of time it takes to produce our shows proves how rushed a lot of American shows have become.I love that making a season half the length of a US show takes 'all year'
(I'm not bashing there btw, I just think the different attitudes are funny)
Actually that should make you think of even more rushed some of our longer seasoned shows are anymore it's just insane anymore.
I'm sorry but what were you trying to say there?
Just getting this back to the top of the forum in preparation for tonight's fangasm! 
Everyone excited?
You should be
You should be
Wow. If they never brought back Dr. Who, that could be a complete series finale for the new series. They tied together just about every theme new Who has explored. I was especially reminded of Human Nature/Family of Blood. Donna's last bit in the TARDIS about wanting to stay was almost exactly like that of John Smith in the Family of Blood when he cried out that he didn't want to leave.
I couldn't help but notice the little clues at the end teasing us about the future perhaps. Donna's ring was extra big (her "fob" maybe) and then her chat about her friend who fancies that man with the goatee.
Of course...K9! Davros' rants were perfect, as was the nod to Genesis with him him recognizing Sarah Jane. Even The Three Doctors got a nod, and we got a full multi-Doctor story, even if it was with a twist. I couldn't help but notice that when Wilf was standing behind the Doctor at the end, Bernard Cribbins looked almost like an older version of Troughton, with a beard of course.
Altogether the most satisfying season finale yet. It's good they're going on holiday and changing over to Moffatt. It'd be hard for RTD to top this one unless he resurrected William Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee from the dead.
I couldn't help but notice the little clues at the end teasing us about the future perhaps. Donna's ring was extra big (her "fob" maybe) and then her chat about her friend who fancies that man with the goatee.
Of course...K9! Davros' rants were perfect, as was the nod to Genesis with him him recognizing Sarah Jane. Even The Three Doctors got a nod, and we got a full multi-Doctor story, even if it was with a twist. I couldn't help but notice that when Wilf was standing behind the Doctor at the end, Bernard Cribbins looked almost like an older version of Troughton, with a beard of course.
Altogether the most satisfying season finale yet. It's good they're going on holiday and changing over to Moffatt. It'd be hard for RTD to top this one unless he resurrected William Hartnell, Troughton, and Pertwee from the dead.
To be honest, I think you're looking for hints that aren't actually there.
I'm curious, what did you think was a reference to The Three Doctors?
Three Doctors (10, 10.5, DoctorDonna). The "main' Doctor faces the enemy first with his (blonde) companion, just like Doctor 3 and Jo. The other is left in the TARDIS with a companion, just like Doctor 2 and the companions. 10 and 10.5, like 3 and 2, are imprisoned by the enemy, leaving the 3rd one alone.
In one of the earlier versions of The Three Doctors the 1st Doctor would have shown up to save the day by joining the other 2 to confront Ohm. Here, Donna is not imprisoned, and she's the one who saves the day and frees the other two. So, we got our multi-Doctor story.
This also proves what I said before the season started, both here and on OG. RTD uses the Christmas Specials to set the themes and tones of the series and then make his Christmas Specials and the actual finales perfect bookends. When you include Time Crash and VOTD, you get a multi-Doctor story and all the themes in TSE/JE are all foreshadowed directly.
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We also got a confirmation that the 8th Doctor fought in the Time War and either regenerated during that war or at the end. He told Rose at the end of JE that 10.5 was born in the fires of war, full of anger and revenge - just like he (the actual Doctor) was when Rose first met him, and she met him as Doctor 9.
In one of the earlier versions of The Three Doctors the 1st Doctor would have shown up to save the day by joining the other 2 to confront Ohm. Here, Donna is not imprisoned, and she's the one who saves the day and frees the other two. So, we got our multi-Doctor story.
This also proves what I said before the season started, both here and on OG. RTD uses the Christmas Specials to set the themes and tones of the series and then make his Christmas Specials and the actual finales perfect bookends. When you include Time Crash and VOTD, you get a multi-Doctor story and all the themes in TSE/JE are all foreshadowed directly.
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We also got a confirmation that the 8th Doctor fought in the Time War and either regenerated during that war or at the end. He told Rose at the end of JE that 10.5 was born in the fires of war, full of anger and revenge - just like he (the actual Doctor) was when Rose first met him, and she met him as Doctor 9.
I think that's a bit of stretch as a The Three Doctors reference. Yes, the themes are there, but I think that's purely coincidental.
1. That's an assertion, not an argument.
2. I said "nod" not "reference." "Nod" and "reference" are not convertible.
3. It's only "a stretch" if you think that I made an argument from identity, not an argument from analogy. I made the latter, not the former.
2. I said "nod" not "reference." "Nod" and "reference" are not convertible.
3. It's only "a stretch" if you think that I made an argument from identity, not an argument from analogy. I made the latter, not the former.
I really enjoyed this episode. Everyone working together was really great though it seemed like they didn't really have much for Martha to do.
The ending to Donna's storyline was really amazing, and the Tate did a great acting job.
Reading back a few pages I like the theory that the second Doctor's role was for Eccleston. It seems very plausible based on the character, and if it's true it's too bad they couldn't get him back for 1 episode, it would of made a excellent episode even better.
The ending to Donna's storyline was really amazing, and the Tate did a great acting job.
Reading back a few pages I like the theory that the second Doctor's role was for Eccleston. It seems very plausible based on the character, and if it's true it's too bad they couldn't get him back for 1 episode, it would of made a excellent episode even better.
Amen to that. I tried to decide if my favorite is Eccleston or Tennant when the subject came up a little while ago, and the tie-breaker ended up being that I really, really wish the DonnaDoctor had been Eccleston. I figure if I want him back that much, I must miss him.
Also, someday I'll have to write down my elaborate plot idea about Donna's ultimate fate, because it ties in perfectly with another elaborate Doctor Who theory I'd had, as well as something that I didn't feel was quite tied off by the end of this episode, namely the "force" tying the Doctor and Donna together. It seems just a little too cute that all these coincidences happened because she and only she, completely arbitrarily, had to touch his hand. No, I feel like there's some reason it had to be Donna Nobel, among all the people of the universe, who was the one to prod the duplicate Doctor into existence.
Also, someday I'll have to write down my elaborate plot idea about Donna's ultimate fate, because it ties in perfectly with another elaborate Doctor Who theory I'd had, as well as something that I didn't feel was quite tied off by the end of this episode, namely the "force" tying the Doctor and Donna together. It seems just a little too cute that all these coincidences happened because she and only she, completely arbitrarily, had to touch his hand. No, I feel like there's some reason it had to be Donna Nobel, among all the people of the universe, who was the one to prod the duplicate Doctor into existence.
Amazing! Fantastic! Heartbreaking! This episode had it all!
Now to go back and read all the comments from the British viewers that I've been avoiding for weeks.
Now to go back and read all the comments from the British viewers that I've been avoiding for weeks.
Well I guess we now know where the human Doctor from the Cushing movies came from. Eventually he'll build a TARDIS and go travelling through time with his and Rose's granddaughters.
I voted Fantastic. Highlights were Catherine Tate, Bernard Cribbins and K-9! Very bitter sweet ending. Very much a fate worse than death as I believe Emh said.
I voted Fantastic. Highlights were Catherine Tate, Bernard Cribbins and K-9! Very bitter sweet ending. Very much a fate worse than death as I believe Emh said.