Doctor Who – 4x06 – The Doctor’s Daughter (Grade/Discuss)
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There's one thing that I was trying to figure out and was surprised it wasn't brought up in the episode and that was Gen. Cobb. If the war had only been going for the last 7 days, or so we're led to believe and that's how long everyone's been around for then how is it Cobb is the only one that looks so much older than evryone else, about 25 to 30 years older and yet doesn't know anything about what really is happening? I was expecting it come off as him being part of the original crew or even the Mission Commander who was said to have died, but it still could've been Cobb who was just covering things up.
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
I voted above average, I quite enjoyed the episode but it wasn't particularly outstanding.
I like the idea of Jenny, and I wasn't surprised that she lived at the end. And as such I wouldn't mind seeing her turn up again at some point in the future. Although for a women that supposedly knew little, if anything really other than fighting, she was pretty good at gymnastics.
I liked Martha's interaction with the Hath, but I did not enjoy her crying scene, overall there didn't seem to be that much need to have her in the episode. Donna was good this week, and I loved her comment that travelling with the Doctor involves a lot of running!
I like the idea of Jenny, and I wasn't surprised that she lived at the end. And as such I wouldn't mind seeing her turn up again at some point in the future. Although for a women that supposedly knew little, if anything really other than fighting, she was pretty good at gymnastics.
I liked Martha's interaction with the Hath, but I did not enjoy her crying scene, overall there didn't seem to be that much need to have her in the episode. Donna was good this week, and I loved her comment that travelling with the Doctor involves a lot of running!
I voted above average.
It was just lacking something. i dont know what yet, but it was missing a big chunk of, well, ya know, stuff.
The B story involving Martha and the Hath was pointless, although, did kind of serve its purpous by showing it from their POV.
The Doctors Daughter, i thought, was going to be a wibbly wobbly twisty wisty Moffat type ep. A decent story idea, well presented and well rounded. The 'Daughter' shouldve been a direct biological offspring, INMO.Somehow, the doctor had a daughter, either in a previous regeneration or a future regeneration yet to be seen, heard of etc.
In other words, the title suggested a huge ep with scale and structure and intelligent writing.
Instead, what we got was a generic clone story, where the lead character denies and doesnt accept that she is his daughter and in the end, as soon as he starts warming to her, she is killed. Same old, Same old.
And the timelord thing...?
I always thought a timelord was given regenerations, that they werent biological abilities.
I can understand the biological aspect of the two hearts, that makes sense, but when the Doctor asked about regenerations, it didnt make sense as i have always thought timelords, as i said earlier, were given them.
And also, did we see a partial internal regeneration of a minor injury, then? because the bullet went into the centre of her chest, i think, rather than the left or right. So, was it the internal organs regenerating rather than the whole body?
Wait a sec, another thing, how does martha know about regeneration when she hasnt been present to witness a regeneration?
?Unless, in New Earth when they sat down and he vented everything about his history etc, did he mention it to her? I duno, unless ive missed something.
It was just lacking something. i dont know what yet, but it was missing a big chunk of, well, ya know, stuff.
The B story involving Martha and the Hath was pointless, although, did kind of serve its purpous by showing it from their POV.
The Doctors Daughter, i thought, was going to be a wibbly wobbly twisty wisty Moffat type ep. A decent story idea, well presented and well rounded. The 'Daughter' shouldve been a direct biological offspring, INMO.Somehow, the doctor had a daughter, either in a previous regeneration or a future regeneration yet to be seen, heard of etc.
In other words, the title suggested a huge ep with scale and structure and intelligent writing.
Instead, what we got was a generic clone story, where the lead character denies and doesnt accept that she is his daughter and in the end, as soon as he starts warming to her, she is killed. Same old, Same old.
And the timelord thing...?
I always thought a timelord was given regenerations, that they werent biological abilities.
I can understand the biological aspect of the two hearts, that makes sense, but when the Doctor asked about regenerations, it didnt make sense as i have always thought timelords, as i said earlier, were given them.
And also, did we see a partial internal regeneration of a minor injury, then? because the bullet went into the centre of her chest, i think, rather than the left or right. So, was it the internal organs regenerating rather than the whole body?
Wait a sec, another thing, how does martha know about regeneration when she hasnt been present to witness a regeneration?
?Unless, in New Earth when they sat down and he vented everything about his history etc, did he mention it to her? I duno, unless ive missed something.
Wait a sec, another thing, how does martha know about regeneration when she hasnt been present to witness a regeneration?
Jack explained it when describing how the Master could change forms and voice from Yana to Saxon. But not in enough detail that Martha should be qualified to say "there's no sign" when Jenny was shot, since for all she knows the body does look completely dead and then comes back a bit later. Hell, she already knows two guys that have managed that trick...
No, this bugged me too. Its where the seven day thing falls down I think. Not sure there is a satisfactory explanation for it.
Also, why was the map hid at the start?
^RTD made up an explanation in the podcast. When the progenitors are on a certain setting they just clone you, rather than making someone who is biologically your "child"...
I think a better answer would be that they just clone "general" so they don't ever lose the guy with the plan of action.
I think a better answer would be that they just clone "general" so they don't ever lose the guy with the plan of action.
I enjoyed it. The episode felt like classic Who in many ways. I would not be surprised if Jenny returned in a future Who ep or even had her own spinoff series. The ending definitely seemed to be a setup for something more.
Took me a while to really get a handle on what I felt about this one. And basically what it comes down to is...
Was that *it*?
"Changes the Doctor" said Greenhorn, "does what it says on the tin" says RTD. They're both wrong.
It was OK to watch - a bit of a knock-off of Face Of Evil's Sevateem/Tesh thing, with a decent SF twist about the time scale. DT was fabulous, getting in some great nonverbal expressions. CT and FA were... there and OK.
It was nice to see Nigel Terry in something again, albeit in a horribly cliched role, but the main curiosity attraction of the show was Georgia Moffett. She did all right, but nothing special, in a diabolically underwritten and underdeveloped role.
No, really, she pops out, says she's a soldier, changes her mind about shooting some guys at the other end of a tunnel: character arc done and dusted. WTF? That was it?! That's a convincing swing from Buffy to Doctor Junior, that changes the Doctor and redefines the whole show, is it? Is it fuck!
That sort of development needs a story arc, and this where The Doctor's Daughter utterly falls flat - it wants to look daring by claiming to play with the formula, but doesn't actually do so. Instead of changing the direction of the lead's arc, or the Time Lord backstory, or even using the situation to address issues like offspring spawned by rape (which this was), it settles for having a new blonde teen for the girls in the audience who can get sacrificed at the end for an "Oh how sad, the guest star bought it" thing so familiar to viewers of US genre TV. (I'm suddenly reminded of TNG's The Offspring)
Introducing something like an offspring for the Doctor should have been a much bigger deal, and the character should have been given the time to grow and develop. Either that or it should have been something else altogether. What we got was neither - something that was a product of the show's being too up itself to just be a straightforward average standalone episode, and that chickened out of actually doing anything with it beyond give an excuse for the Doctor's annual "they'e all gone, I'm so alone" speech.
The outcome was therefore one that Stevie Wonder could see a mile off. We're not in the market for a new companion, so she can't come with us, but she might be an identification figure for the youthful and female audience who miss Rose, and thus deserves to be free to come back later. Result- he thinks she's dead, she comes back to life.
Oh, and the Hath were rubbish as well.
I don't want to call it the first clunker of the season, because it was entertaining - we're not talking rubbish of Boom Town proportions here - but the more I think about, the more I think it was a huge misfire.
4/10
Was that *it*?
"Changes the Doctor" said Greenhorn, "does what it says on the tin" says RTD. They're both wrong.
It was OK to watch - a bit of a knock-off of Face Of Evil's Sevateem/Tesh thing, with a decent SF twist about the time scale. DT was fabulous, getting in some great nonverbal expressions. CT and FA were... there and OK.
It was nice to see Nigel Terry in something again, albeit in a horribly cliched role, but the main curiosity attraction of the show was Georgia Moffett. She did all right, but nothing special, in a diabolically underwritten and underdeveloped role.
No, really, she pops out, says she's a soldier, changes her mind about shooting some guys at the other end of a tunnel: character arc done and dusted. WTF? That was it?! That's a convincing swing from Buffy to Doctor Junior, that changes the Doctor and redefines the whole show, is it? Is it fuck!
That sort of development needs a story arc, and this where The Doctor's Daughter utterly falls flat - it wants to look daring by claiming to play with the formula, but doesn't actually do so. Instead of changing the direction of the lead's arc, or the Time Lord backstory, or even using the situation to address issues like offspring spawned by rape (which this was), it settles for having a new blonde teen for the girls in the audience who can get sacrificed at the end for an "Oh how sad, the guest star bought it" thing so familiar to viewers of US genre TV. (I'm suddenly reminded of TNG's The Offspring)
Introducing something like an offspring for the Doctor should have been a much bigger deal, and the character should have been given the time to grow and develop. Either that or it should have been something else altogether. What we got was neither - something that was a product of the show's being too up itself to just be a straightforward average standalone episode, and that chickened out of actually doing anything with it beyond give an excuse for the Doctor's annual "they'e all gone, I'm so alone" speech.
The outcome was therefore one that Stevie Wonder could see a mile off. We're not in the market for a new companion, so she can't come with us, but she might be an identification figure for the youthful and female audience who miss Rose, and thus deserves to be free to come back later. Result- he thinks she's dead, she comes back to life.
Oh, and the Hath were rubbish as well.
I don't want to call it the first clunker of the season, because it was entertaining - we're not talking rubbish of Boom Town proportions here - but the more I think about, the more I think it was a huge misfire.
4/10
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Absolutely true. It's not even an hour either, just 45 min.
I didn't mind this story really, but what you say is absolutely right, and has been a big criticism from me of the new Doctor Who since the airing of Rose.
Are we absolutely positive this bloke is ten? he could have lost a couple lives during the Time war? Considering how feeble some of hie death events have been in the past?
She didn't regenerate because "She's too much like me" despite said to Rose a while back something like You can spend the rest of your life with me, but You can't spend the rest of your life with me. I don't get old and die, I just regenerate." ...
She was still with the first 11 hours (hand growing back) so she had surplus energy to do stiff with out regenerating, which it's possible she can't... More now than ever I need Susan to come back.
She didn't regenerate because "She's too much like me" despite said to Rose a while back something like You can spend the rest of your life with me, but You can't spend the rest of your life with me. I don't get old and die, I just regenerate." ...
She was still with the first 11 hours (hand growing back) so she had surplus energy to do stiff with out regenerating, which it's possible she can't... More now than ever I need Susan to come back.
Nice and twighlight zoney with a touch of enemy mine.
Wait a sec, another thing, how does martha know about regeneration when she hasnt been present to witness a regeneration?
Jack explained it when describing how the Master could change forms and voice from Yana to Saxon. But not in enough detail that Martha should be qualified to say "there's no sign" when Jenny was shot, since for all she knows the body does look completely dead and then comes back a bit later. Hell, she already knows two guys that have managed that trick...
Well, she is also a UNIT doctor, and I bet UNIT has a file on "strange men regenerating", as they've witnessed at least 1 regeneration in the show, and the Brig has seen at least six doctors.
Wait a sec, another thing, how does martha know about regeneration when she hasnt been present to witness a regeneration?
Jack explained it when describing how the Master could change forms and voice from Yana to Saxon. But not in enough detail that Martha should be qualified to say "there's no sign" when Jenny was shot, since for all she knows the body does look completely dead and then comes back a bit later. Hell, she already knows two guys that have managed that trick...
Well, she is also a UNIT doctor, and I bet UNIT has a file on "strange men regenerating", as they've witnessed at least 1 regeneration in the show, and the Brig has seen at least six doctors.
LOL.
Good points, all of you.
Somehow i overlooked all of those, starring me in the face and all.
Cheers.
Re: Doctor Who – 4x06 – The Doctor’s Daughter (Grade/Discuss)
That was a great episode. Jenny was awesome and I look forward to her obvious return. Donna did well again and has been changed quite a bit from the clueless person they wrote her as when she first appeared. It looks like each season of new Who just keeps getting better.
That was a great episode. Jenny was awesome and I look forward to her obvious return. Donna did well again and has been changed quite a bit from the clueless person they wrote her as when she first appeared. It looks like each season of new Who just keeps getting better.
Re: Doctor Who – 4x06 – The Doctor’s Daughter (Grade/Discuss)
DT is 10, remember School reunion?
Sarah Jane: Youve regenerated again.
Doctor: half a dozen times since you last saw me.
Her last doctor was four, he is ten.
You have to bypass the five doctors for this to work, but then you also have the John Smiths diary drawings with only ten faces too.
DT is 10, remember School reunion?
Sarah Jane: Youve regenerated again.
Doctor: half a dozen times since you last saw me.
Her last doctor was four, he is ten.
You have to bypass the five doctors for this to work, but then you also have the John Smiths diary drawings with only ten faces too.
Well, there is proof that this is 10.
In School Reunion, he clearly tell Sarah Jane that he has regenerated half a dozen times since they last met.
More convincingly there are also only nine other Doctor faces in the diary in Human Nature.
