Do you want the Kelvin Universe to continue?

[David Hanley]

But why would it matter?

If you don't want to see three movies, you can make them "go away" by simply not watching them again. You don't really need someone else to go to all the time and expense of making a movie which does that for you.

I attempted humour. I obviously missed the mark.

 

[Greg Cox]

Looking for consistency in Trek time travel is a lesson in madness.

Wait. You mean going back in time doesn't always turn Spock into a passionate savage?

(Sorry, Zarabeth.)

 

[dupersuper]

Wait. You mean going back in time doesn't always turn Spock into a passionate savage?

(Sorry, Zarabeth.)

No need to apologize; it turned him into a passionate savage the only time she cared about.

 

[fireproof78]

And gave rise to one of the best TOS era novels ever written.

 

[ChallengerHK]

I have the same attitude in 09 as I do now-I enjoy it and it sits right there on my shelf. The constant hand wringing over media being ruined is an obsession that I do not grasp anymore. I think I got mad once at an adaptation I didn't like. Then I reread the book and discovered that I still enjoyed the book. If personal enjoyment of media can be ruined by one installment then I have some serious questions about what was enjoyable in the first place.

Nowadays I agree with you. A little more than 20 years ago I was in a Pop Culture class taught by the Dean of Arts and Sciences, and he expressed the same thoughts as you. His example was Blade Runner, and he was holding court about how the original wide release, with the VO (which I like) would always exist, so the release of the Director's Cut shouldn't matter. I pointed out that (at the time) the original wide release was not available on home media, and that it might never become available. If that had been the case, it would have been the same, ultimately, as not existing.

 

[fireproof78]

Nowadays I agree with you. A little more than 20 years ago I was in a Pop Culture class taught by the Dean of Arts and Sciences, and he expressed the same thoughts as you. His example was Blade Runner, and he was holding court about how the original wide release, with the VO (which I like) would always exist, so the release of the Director's Cut shouldn't matter. I pointed out that (at the time) the original wide release was not available on home media, and that it might never become available. If that had been the case, it would have been the same, ultimately, as not existing.

But, would that change how you felt about the wide release? Even if it wasn't available on home media?

 

[ChallengerHK]

But, would that change how you felt about the wide release? Even if it wasn't available on home media?

It wouldn't change how I felt about it at all. My comment was in response to his statement that he couldn't understand why people were upset that the Director's Cut was on home media and the wide release cut was not, that it shouldn't make any difference. The difference it made was that (again, at the time) I couldn't see the original wide release, and that was indeed worthy of some degree of ire.

 

[fireproof78]

It wouldn't change how I felt about it at all. My comment was in response to his statement that he couldn't understand why people were upset that the Director's Cut was on home media and the wide release cut was not, that it shouldn't make any difference. The difference it made was that (again, at the time) I couldn't see the original wide release, and that was indeed worthy of some degree of ire.

Ah, that makes more sense. I wasn't fully following on that point.

Though, even now, thinking about it, even if I didn't have the physical copy I still have the positive feelings regarding the work.

 

[ChallengerHK]

Though, even now, thinking about it, even if I didn't have the physical copy I still have the positive feelings regarding the work.

I did have positive feelings about the work, less so about the Director's Cut, and even less so about the studio :-)

 

[fireproof78]

I did have positive feelings about the work, less so about the Director's Cut, and even less so about the studio :-)

Well, studios are one thing I cannot control.

 

[Yistaan]

The cast of the Kelvin Timeline isn't getting any younger. I'm not sure where their story can go other than a retread of TOS and the TOS movies (and you can argue that despite being an unofficial "prequel" the 3 Kelvin movies are basically a retread, especially 'Into Darkness').

 

[fireproof78]

The cast of the Kelvin Timeline isn't getting any younger. I'm not sure where their story can go other than a retread of TOS and the TOS movies (and you can argue that despite being an unofficial "prequel" the 3 Kelvin movies are basically a retread, especially 'Into Darkness').

They go extragalatic. My biggest idea is that they encounter the Doomsday machine and pursue it to its source, ending up in another galaxy, encountering machines from a long dead war.

Also, one could argue the retread in only the most simplistic terms possible.

 

[Smellmet]

The cast of the Kelvin Timeline isn't getting any younger. I'm not sure where their story can go other than a retread of TOS and the TOS movies (and you can argue that despite being an unofficial "prequel" the 3 Kelvin movies are basically a retread, especially 'Into Darkness').

About 3 lines of dialogue, and the reactor scene in Into Darkness was a 'retread' in an otherwise original story, maybe 3 minutes of screen time over 6 hours worth of movies. What was a re-tread in 2009 or Beyond?

 

[STEPhon IT]

About 3 lines of dialogue, and the reactor scene in Into Darkness was a 'retread' in an otherwise original story, maybe 3 minutes of screen time over 6 hours worth of movies.

I thought those lines were being cute and nodding to what was done before. In hindsight they should've wrote something more clever but that scene was a turning point for the Spock character; he didn't understand why the Captain or his comrades would cover or sacrifice their life for him. After that scene he understood... clearly and I still found the scene very touching.

 

[Yistaan]

About 3 lines of dialogue, and the reactor scene in Into Darkness was a 'retread' in an otherwise original story, maybe 3 minutes of screen time over 6 hours worth of movies. What was a re-tread in 2009 or Beyond?

The plot of Into Darkness was entirely a retread of "Khan wants revenge". That's a full third of the Kelvinverse.

 

[STEPhon IT]

The plot of Into Darkness. Kirk loses command of the Enterprise after violating the rules where Spock exposed. Seeking retribution after a series of terrorist attacks which lead to his mentor's death; Kirk casts revenge to find the architect of the crimes named John Harrison. Kirk & Spock later discover a more sinister revelation and what lies beneath may destroy the confines of the Federation.

 

[Smellmet]

The plot of Into Darkness was entirely a retread of "Khan wants revenge". That's a full third of the Kelvinverse.

It really isn't. That is an total over-simplification of a film that, bar the reactor scene has an entirely different plot. But you know that don't you?

 

[fireproof78]

I thought those lines were being cute and nodding to what was done before. In hindsight they should've wrote something more clever but that scene was a turning point for the Spock character; he didn't understand why the Captain or his comrades would cover or sacrifice their life for him. After that scene he understood... clearly and I still found the scene very touching.

Same here.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The plot of Into Darkness was entirely a retread of "Khan wants revenge". That's a full third of the Kelvinverse.

Khan wanted revenge against Kirk in Wrath of Khan, even at the expense of his people. He wanted revenge against Marcus and Spock in Into Darkness, both times when he thought his people had been killed. Different motivations.

 

[fireproof78]

It really isn't. That is an total over-simplification of a film that, bar the reactor scene has an entirely different plot. But you know that don't you?

This has been ongoing since 09. The Kelvin films get an oversimplified analysis and only enough slack to hang themselves with.