Constantly doesn't every time, it just means the majority of the episodes misused the Borg, rather then every episode.
Do you think Voyager wasted its potential?
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Constantly doesn't every time, it just means the majority of the episodes misused the Borg, rather then every episode.
Constantly DOES mean every time and every episode.
And like I said, even if "Scorpion" had been their only major Borg episode the reaction would've still been negative.
I'm starting to think what the audience really wanted was for the Borg to destroy the ship and kill everyone, and they were mad it never happened.
And like I said, even if "Scorpion" had been their only major Borg episode the reaction would've still been negative.
I'm starting to think what the audience really wanted was for the Borg to destroy the ship and kill everyone, and they were mad it never happened.
I would've done the following with regards to official Voyager Borg-themed episodes/story arcs (using the titles of existing, actual episodes):
Blood Fever (move the story to fairly early in Voyager's journey, and use it to set the stage for the rest of the series' Borg-related story arcs as per its 'B' plot/ending)
Unity (tie the story directly in with the aftermath of Descent, and set it fairly early in Voyager's journey but after their encounter with the Sakari, and use the story to give Janeway and the crew their first hint of exactly how powerful the Borg's technology is and plants in their minds the possibility of attempting to appropriate said technology for themselves in order to speed up their journey home)
Dark Frontier (set it chronologically fairly soon after the events of First Contact, with the crew finding out about those events and Janeway deciding to take advantage of
the Borg 'licking their wounds' to make a raid to try and steal their transwarp technology; introduce the character of SevenAnnika to the Voyager crew [with her having been introduced to the audience in general during FC), and plant in Janeway's mind the idea of rescuing her)
The Raven (move the story up so that it occurs between Dark Frontier and Scorpion, and use it to make Janeway officially decide that, if the ship encounters the Borg again, she's going to do everything she can to free Seven/Annika from the Collective)
Scorpion (introduce Species 8472, but do not make them so infinitely more powerful than the Borg, essentially making the conflict between the two species a stalemate until Voyager decides to get involved with the express purpose of Janeway freeing Seven/Annika and liberating her from the Collective)
Collective (tie the story in with the events surrounding Seven/Annika's liberation, and the events of Descent and Unity, set it fairly close to the end of the series, and end the episode with most, if not all, of the Borg children being successfully liberated and given berths aboard Voyager)
Endgame (utilize the presence of Seven/Annika and the Borg children aboard the ship to facilitate the infiltration of the Borg's transwarp hub, but make it clear that doing so is a source of conflict between the two Janeways, and use it to solidify the fact that Janeway's accepted Seven/Annika and the other ex-Borg into the ship's family)
This gives you a logical progression, story-wise, but without overusing or diluting the Borg or the threat they pose in any way.
Blood Fever (move the story to fairly early in Voyager's journey, and use it to set the stage for the rest of the series' Borg-related story arcs as per its 'B' plot/ending)
Unity (tie the story directly in with the aftermath of Descent, and set it fairly early in Voyager's journey but after their encounter with the Sakari, and use the story to give Janeway and the crew their first hint of exactly how powerful the Borg's technology is and plants in their minds the possibility of attempting to appropriate said technology for themselves in order to speed up their journey home)
Dark Frontier (set it chronologically fairly soon after the events of First Contact, with the crew finding out about those events and Janeway deciding to take advantage of
the Borg 'licking their wounds' to make a raid to try and steal their transwarp technology; introduce the character of SevenAnnika to the Voyager crew [with her having been introduced to the audience in general during FC), and plant in Janeway's mind the idea of rescuing her)
The Raven (move the story up so that it occurs between Dark Frontier and Scorpion, and use it to make Janeway officially decide that, if the ship encounters the Borg again, she's going to do everything she can to free Seven/Annika from the Collective)
Scorpion (introduce Species 8472, but do not make them so infinitely more powerful than the Borg, essentially making the conflict between the two species a stalemate until Voyager decides to get involved with the express purpose of Janeway freeing Seven/Annika and liberating her from the Collective)
Collective (tie the story in with the events surrounding Seven/Annika's liberation, and the events of Descent and Unity, set it fairly close to the end of the series, and end the episode with most, if not all, of the Borg children being successfully liberated and given berths aboard Voyager)
Endgame (utilize the presence of Seven/Annika and the Borg children aboard the ship to facilitate the infiltration of the Borg's transwarp hub, but make it clear that doing so is a source of conflict between the two Janeways, and use it to solidify the fact that Janeway's accepted Seven/Annika and the other ex-Borg into the ship's family)
This gives you a logical progression, story-wise, but without overusing or diluting the Borg or the threat they pose in any way.
I just would have had the 8472 aliens totally annihilate the Borg entirely at the end of "Scorpion" except for Seven, have them never say "The weak shall perish" and just have them leave back for their home dimension pleased that they showed the invaders who was the stronger. The Borg were never anything but a poorly-thought out plot device, they don't deserve any better send-off than destruction via another plot device.
Any other Borg-related episodes would deal with how the destruction of the Collective has affected the Delta Quadrant and how lesser-powered species are trying to scavenge what's left of their tech and infrastructure that's now abandoned.
Any other Borg-related episodes would deal with how the destruction of the Collective has affected the Delta Quadrant and how lesser-powered species are trying to scavenge what's left of their tech and infrastructure that's now abandoned.
It did waste its potential.
The premise was stellar. No Federation ship ever went to the Delta Quadrant before, and the potential was staggering creatively.
But it was floundering due to production woes. Personally, I wouldn't have even introduced 7 of 9. Introduce Reg Barclay as a main character. It sounds far out, but it could have been perfect development for the character, in that he finally overcomes/manages his autistic (IMO he had a mode of higher functioning autism, maybe Asperger's Syndrome) tendencies. We saw that in Endgame, he was functioning far better than in Hollow Pursuits in TNG.
If I were Berman or Taylor, I would have included a love interest for Janeway (actually 2 or 3, as Picard and Sisko had multiple in seven seasons), had more balanced character development, and not even had the Borg as a consistent enemy. IMO, the Hirogen had the potential to be the consistent enemy from season four onwards. They could have been better developed.
The premise was stellar. No Federation ship ever went to the Delta Quadrant before, and the potential was staggering creatively.
But it was floundering due to production woes. Personally, I wouldn't have even introduced 7 of 9. Introduce Reg Barclay as a main character. It sounds far out, but it could have been perfect development for the character, in that he finally overcomes/manages his autistic (IMO he had a mode of higher functioning autism, maybe Asperger's Syndrome) tendencies. We saw that in Endgame, he was functioning far better than in Hollow Pursuits in TNG.
If I were Berman or Taylor, I would have included a love interest for Janeway (actually 2 or 3, as Picard and Sisko had multiple in seven seasons), had more balanced character development, and not even had the Borg as a consistent enemy. IMO, the Hirogen had the potential to be the consistent enemy from season four onwards. They could have been better developed.
Look, "Going Home" was a major problem for the show because it meant that they'd always be on the move and never have the time needed to properly flesh anywhere or anyone out that they encountered.
They should have not known where they were at all, they should have not found out where they were until Season 2 or 3. And by then, they'd have found some alien tech that could send them home but it needs time to be installed and charged up so they don't go home until season 4.
Then, they decide to go back out there for the remainder of the show as a mission for Starfleet to formalize relations between the area of space they were in and the Alpha Quadrant.
This allows them to be stuck flying around in circles of a single vast area of space for 3 years, allows for easier recurring enemies and better fleshing out of the area, and they get involved in local issues instead of always being on their own. Instead of facing the Borg alone, now they're defending a local power from invasion and have the tools needed for a good Borg story, whereas on their own they DON'T have the tools needed for a good Borg story.
They should have not known where they were at all, they should have not found out where they were until Season 2 or 3. And by then, they'd have found some alien tech that could send them home but it needs time to be installed and charged up so they don't go home until season 4.
Then, they decide to go back out there for the remainder of the show as a mission for Starfleet to formalize relations between the area of space they were in and the Alpha Quadrant.
This allows them to be stuck flying around in circles of a single vast area of space for 3 years, allows for easier recurring enemies and better fleshing out of the area, and they get involved in local issues instead of always being on their own. Instead of facing the Borg alone, now they're defending a local power from invasion and have the tools needed for a good Borg story, whereas on their own they DON'T have the tools needed for a good Borg story.
I rewatched most of Andromeda recently.
Season 5 did me in.
The horribleness of any one episode was knocked back eventually by the resumption of a larger plot.
Hunt rebuilt the commonwealth and found a great enemy by the end of season one. He turned down the opportunity to rule and the commonwealth went bad by the end of season two which meant that he had to deal with the big bad without an empire backing him up, which is when Dillian began to understand that billion year old gods (One of his crew even) had been using him as a puppet to save the day THEIR WAY, in Season four he had to prove his innocence and tie up some loose ends... Then season 5 is just bat shit where the ship is out of gas and they fuck about in a dive bar in a pocket universe that had no idea about everything Space Hercules has been doing for the last 4 years.
For a while it actually seemed like they were trying, but the poor bastards fumbled the ball 12 seconds before the buzzer..
(Although Harper was always fricking hilarious.)
Voyager was an immediate show for a casual audience.
Season 5 did me in.
The horribleness of any one episode was knocked back eventually by the resumption of a larger plot.
Hunt rebuilt the commonwealth and found a great enemy by the end of season one. He turned down the opportunity to rule and the commonwealth went bad by the end of season two which meant that he had to deal with the big bad without an empire backing him up, which is when Dillian began to understand that billion year old gods (One of his crew even) had been using him as a puppet to save the day THEIR WAY, in Season four he had to prove his innocence and tie up some loose ends... Then season 5 is just bat shit where the ship is out of gas and they fuck about in a dive bar in a pocket universe that had no idea about everything Space Hercules has been doing for the last 4 years.
For a while it actually seemed like they were trying, but the poor bastards fumbled the ball 12 seconds before the buzzer..
(Although Harper was always fricking hilarious.)
Voyager was an immediate show for a casual audience.
A friend of mine used to work on Hercules and he once told me that Sorbo was all aglow about the magnificence of his next amazing project, but it was all top secret and he shouldn't say too much.
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