Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?

[Guy Gardener]

The Mortgage Crisis.

Poor people were given too much money at too high a rate of interest that they could never pay back, until they defaulted their loans and destroyed the world for a couple hours, until the banks got bailed out, even though the poor people became more homeless.

The metaphor is obvious.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I would find it extremely odd if our society never changed over the course of centuries. Certainly humanity as a collective whole is going to be altered by events and adapt to societal fluctuations. There will also be the input of dozens/hundreds of alien cultures with their viewpoints.I personally found the federation's position on the prime directive in the 24th century to be very troubling and cold hearted.

True, but the trend seems to be towards being more open and accepting as we go forward. Being sexist and bigoted again isn't progress, it's a tragedy. I know that humanity had gone through a major collapse after WWIII, but that's what caused them to become the society we see later.

Short of society collapsing for us, I expect our future to be more open and accepting than we are now. Star Trek should always represent the future the present wants, not the future the 1960s wanted. Star Trek never was and never should be considered literal future history that is set in stone. It's fiction with a purpose and it's actually a good purpose.

It indicates a society that is capable of thinking quite differently than we would today.The ignore it and pretend it never happen option? Admittedly that would be one way to go. However I like it when Star Trek takes bold steps, something that it doesn't do as often as it's reputation suggests.

They ignore the bit where women aren't allowed to be captains despite seeing female captains in the 22nd and 24th centuries. Sometimes its best to ignore the misguided ideas that went into the previous shows and actually honor what the show represents. The spirit of Star Trek is that all of humanity is going to work together in the future and explore the galaxy with various other species. Pretending that for a brief period they were openly sexist and possibly bigoted goes against this.

Directly addressing the past absence would also be a option. No, we actually seen and heard of a fair number of attractions, sexual situations, relationships and some marriages too.

We have, they were just all heterosexual and cisgender. Humans alone show more variation than that, it's just been ignored because those people are in charge and wanted to pretend that everyone else didn't exist. It's about time that ended. If that upsets people, then let them be upset. Bigots don't deserve to be comforted for their beliefs, they're holding back the entire species by clinging to a past that was only an illusion.

 

[JWPlatt]

...the trend seems to be towards being more open and accepting as we go forward...

Hey, it's the 1960s on the phone. They're saying things might not work out as expected.

 

[locutus101]

The Mortgage Crisis.

Poor people were given too much money at too high a rate of interest that they could never pay back, until they defaulted their loans and destroyed the world for a couple hours, until the banks got bailed out, even though the poor people became more homeless.

The metaphor is obvious.

That's one way of putting it. Another way is "Poor people were being robbed of all their money by unscrupulous bankers, that not only got away with it but also got some more money by the thieving state to boot."

 

[Awesome Possum]

Hey, it's the 1960s on the phone. They're saying things might not work out as expected.

I'd say we're slightly better off now than we were in the 1960s.

 

[locutus101]

I'd say we're slightly better off now than we were in the 1960s.

Things are always a little worse than they seem...

 

[Guy Gardener]

WHERE THE HELL IS MY FLYING CAR!!!!!?????

 

[locutus101]

WHERE THE HELL IS MY FLYING CAR!!!!!?????

Back From The Future II?

 

[Tim Thomason]

Perhaps William Riker was born biologically female. Perhaps Pavel Chekov had a number of male partners in his life in addition to the couple of female ones we know of. Perhaps Janice Rand and Uhura had a flirtation and romance behind-the-scenes, and Hoshi Sato had a brief marriage to Elizabeth Cutler in the late 2150s.

There's nothing I've seen that refutes any of that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Back From The Future II?

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[Awesome Possum]

Things are always a little worse than they seem...

People always think it's the end of the world and everything is terrible. In reality, this is the best possible time to be alive in human history.

 

[Tenacity]

They ignore the bit where women aren't allowed to be captains despite seeing female captains in the 22nd and 24th centuries.

We saw one in the 22nd century, one in TVH, and a small number in the 24th century. Even in the 24th century the vast majority of upper ranks were composed of males, and usually human males.

Short of society collapsing for us, I expect our future to be more open and accepting than we are now.

it might be caused by the formation of United Earth in the 22nd century, most of the Human species lives outside of the "western world." United Earth will likely be a composite of Humans cultures and attitudes. The majority of modern Humanity has well defined positions on women and gays. In the case of gays, out and out condemnation and minimal tolerance is far more common than true tolerance and open acceptance.

Now will the cultural minority at the time of the formation of United Earth be in a position to say "everyone has to accept our ways," or will the majority prevail?

 

[JWPlatt]

People always think it's the end of the world and everything is terrible. In reality, this is the best possible time to be alive in human history.

My point about the 1960s above was that it's cyclical and ideals fail because they are always overridden by self-interests both small and big. But may the future-now always be the best of times and today always be a little worse than tomorrow.

 

[Awesome Possum]

We saw one in the 22nd century, one in TVH, and a small number in the 24th century. Even in the 24th century the vast majority of upper ranks were composed of males, and usually human males.

I wouldn't confuse the sexism and bigotry of today with what it can be in the future. Remember that Janeway was seen as just another captain, while some of the more sexist viewers had an issue with it.

[/QUOTE]it might be caused by the formation of United Earth in the 22nd century, most of the Human species lives outside of the "western world." United Earth will likely be a composite of Humans cultures and attitudes. The majority of modern Humanity has well defined positions on women and gays. In the case of gays, out and out condemnation and minimal tolerance is far more common than true tolerance and open acceptance.

Now will the cultural minority at the time of the formation of United Earth be in a position to say "everyone has to accept our ways," or will the majority prevail?[/QUOTE]
I would hope and imagine that after the near extinction of the species and First Contact such backwards beliefs would no longer be seen as relevant. Especially since religion, which is the source of most of the bigotry, seems to not be a major influence on society. The other source is generally self-hatred and repression.

I really have trouble wrapping my head around the idea that all other forms of bigotry are seen as regrettable mistakes of the past while homophobia still holds sway. Do you truly believe that we'd get over all other forms of hate but keep that?

 

[locutus101]

People always think it's the end of the world and everything is terrible. In reality, this is the best possible time to be alive in human history.

It definitely is, for some of us at any rate.

 

[Awesome Possum]

It definitely is, for some of us at any rate.

For most of human history if a boat showed up, it was almost certainly a bunch of guys with swords who wanted to kill you. Now a boat shows up and it's full of tourists.

 

[Guy Gardener]

10 years without television.

Then the aliens show up.

With television (and food).

 

[JWPlatt]

For most of human history if a boat showed up, it was almost certainly a bunch of guys with swords who wanted to kill you. Now a boat shows up and it's full of tourists.

Or a mass of people fleeing from oppression, violence, and famine.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Or a mass of people fleeing from oppression, violence, and famine.

But there is less of it now than there was in the past. We just hear about it more because the entire world is basically connected now. We have an extremely skewed view of the world. We think things are terrible now because that's all we ever hear about. But violence and crime are at historic lows and only getting lower. We still have a long way to go, but at least we don't have to worry about getting into a duel. Most of us probably won't ever be involved in a violent crime or terror attack. We'll just die a normal boring death.

Except for me, I plan on living forever.

 

[locutus101]

10 years without television.

Then the aliens show up.

With television (and food).

Is that a movie or a worst case scenario kind of thing?