I'm hoping the creators of Discovery change their mind about including LGBTQ characters. Whether you agree with that lifestyle or not, members of that group upset a large segment of the population (including myself). Are the benefits of including that segment worth the loss of viewership? Can Trek afford to lose people like me? I got heavily into Trek about 10 years ago although prior to that I would always stop on Trek as I flipped through the channels and watch what remained of that episode. Around the same time, I started to become a conservative, which is probably a dirty word around here. Considering today's toxic political environment, why would the creators want to insert such divisive content? I was prepared to plunk down the money to watch the show (and indoctrinate my wife & 3 youngsters), but after learning about this agenda, I have sadly put my wallet away, realizing that Trek is dead to me. I was looking for an interesting space western but instead it looks like this is going to be a vehicle to push the PC agenda. If it fails, and a part of me is hoping it does, it will likely be in part because of the lgbtq inclusion.
Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?
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Challenging people who are bigoted and prejudiced against people who are different from them is one of the primary goals of Star Trek.
EDIT: The fact that it "bothers" you and it "bothers" a certain population of people is precisely the reason why DSC is addressing it. Because any bigotry and intolerance for LGBTQ people flies in the face of everything Trek stands for. Trek is about inclusion, acceptance, and celebration of differences. So...maybe you should start, I dunno, paying attention to what the show has been saying for 50 years? Just a thought.
I disagree, the goal of Star Trek is to make money. The way to do this, is to create a show that people enjoy. I will not be enjoying a show that pushes this particular agenda so the show will not be making money from me. I know that the show has pushed some boundaries and that's fine, but I disagree with this particular boundary. Bestiality, pedophilia... there are many boundaries that Trek has not pushed because there are many people who disagree with those things on a deep moral level and I don't think Trek should constantly be seeking out the next edgy thing for the sake of being edgy. They should simply be making a good show.
I sincerely doubt that without pushing this boundary that the show will fail. If there is anything old and tired, it's the forcing of lgbtq upon us, over and over, rainbows everywhere... THAT is stale. The shock factor has worn off, the lifestyle still stinks. If they wanted to be edgy and non-offensive, why not include a midget on the show? I think that would add a lot more than a gay person. So many options without going into the lgbtq swamp. Remember, while I am only one voice on this forum, there are a great many others like me who will quietly boycott for the same reason.
"Star Trek was an attempt to say that humanity will reach maturity and wisdom on the day that it begins not just to tolerate, but take a special delight in differences in ideas and differences in life forms. […] If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences, to take a positive delight in those small differences between our own kind, here on this planet, then we do not deserve to go out into space and meet the diversity that is almost certainly out there.” -Gene Roddenberry
That was Roddenberry's premise for the show. To celebrate diversity and imagine a future of inclusion and acceptance and joy in other life forms. If you don't agree with this premise, then Star Trek is not the show for you. And it just boggles my mind that someone can watch and enjoy Star Trek and still hold such outwardly prejudiced and bigoted views. Like, how is that even possible?
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There were a lot of people who were "bothered" by a black woman being a bridge officer in TOS. Southern states boycotted Star Trek because they were "bothered" by it. That is...they were racists. And we left those people behind. We could afford to lose them. And Trek and its fans have been fine since then. Flourished, in fact, without them holding us and humanity back.
You know what I'm sick of? Straight people! I'm sick of the straight agenda and that lifestyle being shoved down my throat all the time. You can't even turn on the tv without seeing straight people, they're everywhere!
I don't mind them but do they have to show their straightness in public and make a show out of it? Holding hands, kissing ... yuck.
Today on the train two women sitting next to me talked about their husbands ... good riddance. I get it, you're straight! Who cares?!
And Star Trek is kind of a joke, how many episodes are there that don't feature heterosexual propaganda? Can't they just make a good show without all this straight sex stuff?
Straight people turning everything beige everywhere! So sick of it!
Roddenberry said "If we cannot learn to actually enjoy those small differences..." but I disagree that the lgbtq community's differences are "small." Also, there is nothing for a straight person to "enjoy" about lgbtq, just can't relate to that. Straight people make up the majority of people so it's important to appeal to them. The idea that everything that is different is inherently good is flawed, so there are some areas where Trek just shouldn't go. Up to now, they have done a pretty good job, but here they are falling flat on their face. Also, (and I expect disagreement here) in the future they would have been able to correct the genetic/hormonal condition which results in the wires being crossed, and people will be attracted to the opposite sex. The only reason why some people don't consider it a condition, is because it makes them feel better about themselves to not think there is anything wrong. A midget can use the same argument to explain why they don't have a condition either. I wouldn't expect sickle cell to be a "celebrated difference" in the future and trying to make lgbtq any different is just silly.
I think it's time we all just ignore 8mm's hateful, bigoted posts. I'm done here.
Is my view of lgbtq "different" from yours? Shouldn't you be enjoying and accepting my difference? I'm really just here to say that if Trek goes through with this nonsense that they will be losing fans and they really can't afford that. I don't want Trek to end, but it is going to if they don't listen to those of us on the other side.
A million million isn't a billion any more, it's outmoded and forgotten about wrongness.
Ugh, that old argument from the depths of bigotry. That tolerance must include tolerating intolerance.
YES. We can afford to lose fans who contribute nothing but backwards, prejudiced, bigoted points of view. Good riddance.
If you've been watching Trek as long as you say you have and you're still a bigot, there's probably no changing you now. In other circumstances, I would tell a bigot to watch Star Trek to show them why their thinking is harmful and illogical. Oh well! You can lead a horse to water and so on.
The old argument that Star Trek is all about tolerance. There are many species in Star Trek, not only humans, and these other species have their own ways, and their own intolerances. People are viewing Trek strictly from the point of view of the Federation, but ignore the other species which inhabit the galaxy. Or do you dismiss the points of view of those other species' because the are .... different? If you want to label me a bigot instead of someone who has simply had enough of the PC parade, fine, but just know that there are many others like me, and if you ignore us, you doom the franchise.
LOL ok. I'm sure after 50 years of representing equality, diversity and tolerance that alienating a handful of bigoted Trekkies will be the death knell of the franchise.
And by the way, the Federation is the ideal. And the stories that show ruthless societies or racist societies or bigoted societies, what have you, are presented as who we are as people today, to contrast with the ideal of the Federation. Can't imagine you would have picked up on that since every other message of Trek seems to have gone way over your head.
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