Lol yeah even though they very well armed for non military ships.
do you like the MACO's
- Thread starter Gabriel
- Start date
Indeed, Starfleet seems to be a fighting force through and through, with but a single recent foray into the exploration business (the one we watch up close) - it's the exploration part that they are no good at (yet).
Reed's men-at-arms seemed to be about as competent and effective as the MACO team in terms of results: both groups made lots of pew-pew noises when the story called for those, won some when the story called for that, lost some when the story called for that. Died when the story called for that.
But it was fun to see classic interservices rivalry there, as there's none to be found in later Trek eras. Also, the violent bromance between the two soldier bosses, reminiscent of how Worf and Jadzia used to hospitalize each other. Plus slightly different fighting gear, which was nice to see because more is more.
Timo Saloniemi
Reed's men-at-arms seemed to be about as competent and effective as the MACO team in terms of results: both groups made lots of pew-pew noises when the story called for those, won some when the story called for that, lost some when the story called for that. Died when the story called for that.
But it was fun to see classic interservices rivalry there, as there's none to be found in later Trek eras. Also, the violent bromance between the two soldier bosses, reminiscent of how Worf and Jadzia used to hospitalize each other. Plus slightly different fighting gear, which was nice to see because more is more.
Timo Saloniemi
There was definitely tension between themAt one fan fiction, which I read for a very long time ago it ended as NC-17 story without warning. Do you mean this kind of ending?
I didn't like the MACOs, no
Unnecessary
Unnecessary
Well considering they were going against a species that could send a probe to kill millions and not even get detected. Also considering how good the xindi were at fighting, they definitely needed the muscle
In WW2 the Commandant of the US Marine Corps was under the Chief of Naval Operations-CinC US Fleet, at least on paper. It seemed to work all right.
No other incarnation of Trek needed an obvious military extension did they ?
The only REAL time the MACOs made a difference was on the Trellium B mining planet
Every other time they were used, they were in conjunction with Reed and his security were they not ?
Always looked like a joint operation to me.
The other incarnation of trek didn’t need macos because they were dealing with the federation starfleet not earth starfleet. Fed starfleet is much more powerful on its own. Earth starfleet is pretty weak considering their pride of of the fleet could at times barely defend itself as. And do you really think reeds men could do it on there own. Enterprise is a pretty small ship. Only 83 people to assign to a department and I doubt many were assigned to security or that the crew was cross trained very well.
The boarding of the weapon. 3 MACOS went along and no ship security went with them reed may have went with them but that’s probably only because major Hayes was dead.
No need to run I’m not in the starfleet is not a military camp. But United earth starfleet is not a military. They are just too weak.
Yeah he did. Stupid slow transporter.
Just a young organization. Takes time to build up sufficient forces.
Yeah but the fact is that admiral Forrest said if captain archer was ok with the military being on board. Also the fact that captain archer at the beginning seem to have very little combat experience. Even scientific captains like Janeway and Picard had combat experience and competent in that area. Captain archer seem to have the combat experience of oberth class science ship. Now that can be because earth starfleet is young, but if earth starfleet had a defense role then they wouldn’t let the pride of starfleet be captain by a man naive to say in broken bow that he hopes it was the last time some one took a shot at them. Now hat could be hopefully thinking but I believe he meant it. But over time captain archer got better in the combat department.
Source, please? Genuinely curious.
Gabriel, I'm just going to say that I'll agree to disagree with you
Yes, the MACOs went to destroy the weapon, but under Reeds command because Reed was the senior security guy.
Did the MACOs not have a second in command ?
If they did, then why does he or she not step into Hayes shoes automatically ?
As far as I remember, Reed picked three soldiers from about eight volunteers and they went on the mission.
And also, Enterprise's security seemed to do ok whenever required, MACO backing or not.
I leave myself wide open on here when putting points across because all my viewpoints are made from memory only, with the best intentions, I don't study every infinite detail and foible of Trek so indefinitely I'm in discussion with people who clearly know more than I do.
My opinion was that MACOs were an addition to the series that wasn't needed, your opinion is clearly that they were.
Usually I’m the one that says let’s agree to disagree lol. Didn’t mean to come off as a know it all. And no the macos did not have second in command. Makes sense enterprise is a little smallGabriel, I'm just going to say that I'll agree to disagree with you
Yes, the MACOs went to destroy the weapon, but under Reeds command because Reed was the senior security guy.
Did the MACOs not have a second in command ?
If they did, then why does he or she not step into Hayes shoes automatically ?
As far as I remember, Reed picked three soldiers from about eight volunteers and they went on the mission.
And also, Enterprise's security seemed to do ok whenever required, MACO backing or not.
I leave myself wide open on here when putting points across because all my viewpoints are made from memory only, with the best intentions, I don't study every infinite detail and foible of Trek so indefinitely I'm in discussion with people who clearly know more than I do.
My opinion was that MACOs were an addition to the series that wasn't needed, your opinion is clearly that they were.
There was definitely tension between them
By the end of the fight they're basically just rolling on top of each other and grunting...
I like the MACOs. Makes sense they would be on a ship out exploring the unknown and confronting aliens who are possibly hostile. As an aside, I like Steven Culp. He's a great character actor. You've probably seen him in a bunch of stuff. He always seems like such a professional. Wish Hayes hadn't bought the farm, but I guess his death served a purpose.
Similar threads
- Poll
