Do you like ENT or not,why?

[somebuddyX]

I watched "Proving Ground" and thought it was dope. This felt enjoyable because it was based on the characters motivations and prior history and I could buy them playing each other for realistic reasons and not some manufactured conflict. This is what I wanted more of in the first couple of seasons but without the end of the world nonsense.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I like ENT, despite its shortcomings.

It's a beautifully designed show for starters. The sets are possibly the best 'starship' interiors ever done in Star Trek, balancing the traditional Trek look with a kind of utilitarian aesthetic. Likewise for the props and costuming in general.

ENT has a lot of great guest stars.

For that matter the cast is largely solid.

I love the theme.

Obviously, the whole thing failed to cohere in the end, but it's a good show. There's more to like than there is to dislike.

 

[TJames03]

The colors were too dull. They should have had more TOS bright colors. Mayweather and Reed were so boring. They needed an alien or two in their places.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The colors were too dull. They should have had more TOS bright colors. Mayweather and Reed were so boring. They needed an alien or two in their places.

These are reasons that you like ENT?

 

[TJames03]

These are reasons that you like ENT?

Dislike

 

[Sci]

The colors were too dull. They should have had more TOS bright colors. Mayweather and Reed were so boring. They needed an alien or two in their places.

Adding yet another alien on top of T'Pol and Phlox doesn't really make much sense for a United Earth ship that's the first to establish a meaningful presence outside of a couple of star systems. If these are supposed to be early days for Earth's exploration of space, then having more than two aliens doesn't really make sense.

But yeah, Mayweather and Reed were incredibly two-dimensional, boring, generic cardboard cutouts instead of actual characters. They didn't need replaced; they needed better writing.

 

[SCE2Aux]

They didn't need replaced; they needed better writing.

I would've been perfectly happy with just more writing. I thought the characters started off fine, they just needed screentime.

 

[Lord Hierarch]

I find Reed rather charming.

He's like the ideal British dude I have in my head. In a fond mocking way to our cousins across the USea.

Mayweather was a wasted opportunity, yeah. But really he's kind of hampered that his experience was close to Earth and on boomer ships, not navy ships. How much could they really have pulled for storylines?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Adding yet another alien on top of T'Pol and Phlox doesn't really make much sense for a United Earth ship that's the first to establish a meaningful presence outside of a couple of star systems. If these are supposed to be early days for Earth's exploration of space, then having more than two aliens doesn't really make sense.

But yeah, Mayweather and Reed were incredibly two-dimensional, boring, generic cardboard cutouts instead of actual characters. They didn't need replaced; they needed better writing.

Mayweather needed better writing and a better actor.

And honestly, I've probably said this before somewhere in this thread a long time ago, but Mayweather (with better writing and acting) should've been the Captain instead of Archer.

 

[TJames03]

Adding yet another alien on top of T'Pol and Phlox doesn't really make much sense for a United Earth ship that's the first to establish a meaningful presence outside of a couple of star systems. If these are supposed to be early days for Earth's exploration of space, then having more than two aliens doesn't really make sense.

But yeah, Mayweather and Reed were incredibly two-dimensional, boring, generic cardboard cutouts instead of actual characters. They didn't need replaced; they needed better writing.

True RE: aliens, I guess. Had the show continued, Shrann was gonna be a regular crew member. I’d have killed Reed and Mayweather off and replaced them with Shran and a Tellarite. Andorians and Tellarite would be members of the first forming of the Federation, so it would make sense a they and humans and a Vulcan would be serving together.

 

[FederationHistorian]

True RE: aliens, I guess. Had the show continued, Shrann was gonna be a regular crew member. I’d have killed Reed and Mayweather off and replaced them with Shran and a Tellarite. Andorians and Tellarite would be members of the first forming of the Federation, so it would make sense a they and humans and a Vulcan would be serving together.

They probably should have killed off Reed in “Countdown”, and have Major Hayes replace him in S4, to shake things up with the show. And give Major Hayes the Section 31 connection. Could have even kept the connection to Reed’s family by dating Reed’s sister or bonding with Reed’s parents.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I think Anthony Montgomery was fine as an actor and the fact he’s had a successful career post ENT bears that out. I’ve always thought it’s Keating who let the side down in terms of acting. He’s a very stilted, limited performer.

 

[Dukhat]

I think Anthony Montgomery was fine as an actor and the fact he’s had a successful career post ENT bears that out. I’ve always thought it’s Keating who let the side down in terms of acting. He’s a very stilted, limited performer.

The thing is, that’s exactly how I would have described Michael Dorn for the first two seasons of TNG.

An actor is only as good as the material they are given. Really good actors can work with shitty scripts and still make a great performance. And while I wouldn’t lump Dominic Keating or Anthony Montgomery in that group, I’m almost certain that they would have shined just fine if ENT had been a better show and they had been given much more to do.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I’m almost certain that they would have shined just fine if ENT had been a better show and they had been given much more to do.

On the rare occasion Montgomery is given something to do, he really does shine. Detained comes to mind.

 

[mattpa]

I've just finished a rewatch.
It's perhaps easier to describe what i didn't like as opposed to what I did, which, i suppose was Enterprises downfall in the end.

I think Archer is great, and much more so than the other shows (especially DS9 which is a true ensemble) I feel it would have collapsed without the performance of Scott Bakula as the captain.

I like how the Vulcan ambassador slowly comes round over the 4 years to bring supportive and appreciating the crew.

I love Phlox, my favourite Doctor in Trek.

I enjoy the performance of some of the guest stars, Weyoun and General Martok for instance.

And that's about it...

The show never knew what it wanted to be, and I feel very confused watching it from one season to the next.

I think season 4 is especially poor, because i. It's rush to tell arc based stories full of incident, it lost what was one of the few strengths that the show has shown in earlier seasons, that being the relationship between Archer and the crew. It lost 'the little moments.'

In terms of the crew, Mayweather is the obvious one to point out as someone who seemed to be forgotten about. I don't really know whether the actor was good or bad in the role, but there was just nothing to his character.

I think Reed could have been better if given more time, but then again, maybe 4 years is enough.

I don't think Trip and T'Pol ever really worked either as a couple, or as individual characters.

They simply didn't show enough range.

Most of the episodes are very forgettable, and it's a struggle for me, even having only just finished watching the series for the nth time to recall any standouts.

I know Cogenitor often gets a lot of praise, but honestly for me Trip is such a pain in that episode that I don't find it to be enjoyable.

I think of the good in Enterprise as being more moments than episodes.

The temporal cold war was a damp squib, the xindi arc, whilst at least trying something different, never really worked for me, and seasons.one or two are so up and down in quality it's hard to judge them properly.

Oh, and I don't think the theme music helped!

TNG was very similar for the first couple of seasons, in that it had a real lack of identity.

Some might say it was lucky to get a 3rd season, but from then on it worked it out.

Enterprise never got there after 4 seasons!

So looking back, Archer and Phlox were great, and apart from the odd moment that's about it for me in terms of positivity.

 

[FederationHistorian]

An actor is only as good as the material they are given. Really good actors can work with shitty scripts and still make a great performance. And while I wouldn’t lump Dominic Keating or Anthony Montgomery in that group, I’m almost certain that they would have shined just fine if ENT had been a better show and they had been given much more to do.

I agree that both Keating and Montgomery can act quite fine when given something to do.

At the same time, ENT needed that shakeup, and heading into S4 they were due for one. DS9 had Worf come onboard, while VOY had Seven. Even TNG saw Wesley leave the show in S4. ENT had plans for Shran to join in S5, but it was a season too late.

Replacing Reed with Hayes could have bought the show some time before adding Shran. It wasn't like Hayes needed to be a lot term addition. Just signify that things were changing on the show and viewers need to tune in.

And Reed could have always made guest appearances in the mirror universe episodes.

 

[mattpa]

With reed and Hayes I think it could have been a good idea for Hayes to replace him, but to have Reed stay in theshow but essentially become a 'baddie' and embrace Section 31.

When Archer asks him where his loyalties lie, he could have at that moment gone another way.

Section 31 did have loyal agents after all, maybe we could seen that play out in an interesting way, with his character never to be redeemed, and the comfortable reset button pressed.

Of course, Hayes was already gone by that point.

 

[DonIago]

At the same time, ENT needed that shakeup, and heading into S4 they were due for one. DS9 had Worf come onboard, while VOY had Seven. Even TNG saw Wesley leave the show in S4. ENT had plans for Shran to join in S5, but it was a season too late.

To be fair, anything after S3 was too late. The writing was already on the wall when S4 begain airing.

 

[BillJ]

Solid show, though Bakula just never felt like a fit for me.

 

[mattpa]

Solid show, though Bakula just never felt like a fit for me.

Interesting. Could you expand on that? I think he was the only thing/character that held the show together.