Do you feel bad knowing Sam Kirk's fate?
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we know the 32nd century's capabilities are a fraction of its former glory, using old ships it would have recycled in the old days, and no new tech for probably centuries.
Whose to say during the worst of the Time Wars they didn't go back in time, collect the info of good candidate officers, memories, etc, and have holographic officers to bolster their ranks? Hell there could have been a few Sam and Jim Kirks thrown into the front lines. Sounds horrifying but then according to Kovich, the situation seems about that bad. Anyway, just an idea.
I don't exactly feel bad, no. I've known how Sam Kirk is fated to die for decades now, ever since the first time I've seen "Operation: Annihilate!". Hell, he was killed off in a television episode that was produced and aired years before I was born. It's a fait accompli.
It's kind of like what Berlinghoff Rasmussen claimed to Picard in "Matter of Time": "All of those people down there died years before I was born. All of you up here, as well. So you see, I can't get quite as worked up as you over the fate of some colonists who, for me, have been dead a very, very long time."
Sam Kirk dies on Deneva because that's how Sam Kirk dies. That's the main fact we know about Sam Kirk.
Pike, I feel more bad about, both because I'm more attached to the character and because I love Anson Mount's portrayal of him.
It's kind of like what Berlinghoff Rasmussen claimed to Picard in "Matter of Time": "All of those people down there died years before I was born. All of you up here, as well. So you see, I can't get quite as worked up as you over the fate of some colonists who, for me, have been dead a very, very long time."
Sam Kirk dies on Deneva because that's how Sam Kirk dies. That's the main fact we know about Sam Kirk.
Pike, I feel more bad about, both because I'm more attached to the character and because I love Anson Mount's portrayal of him.
I know I cried when Spock died in Wrath of Khan. Heck I cried even knowing he was coming back. And of course we all mourned the senseless murder of Tuvix. Of course it's also a good kind of feeling bad IMO because it means a story or character was able to pull out some real emotions.
I think you and I follow a completely different definition of "we all."
Who mourns for Nero from 2009? Even Spock seemed to approve.
But when STAR WARS comics dispose of nameless goons from the Empire and Leia reminds Lando they were sentient beings, the story's obviously written by Chris Claremont.
I can't say I care much for Sam. The could unceremoniously write him off the show saying he went off to whatever that planet was and I wouldn't miss him.
And Nero was the worst villain IMO. "Hi Christopher, I'm Nero" doesn't cut it for me.
And Nero was the worst villain IMO. "Hi Christopher, I'm Nero" doesn't cut it for me.
That line was really pretty good.
At some point Trek characters need to stop speaking like something out of a 1947 schoolbook.
It was an Abramsy way of reminding us this is not totally the STAR TREK we knew, written and created by a man who preferred TREK to be cool...before bailing out to where his heart was really set.....unnecessary slavish remakes of mostly perfect scenes.
I will admit when McGivers in SPACE SEED answered Kirk with an ''uh-huh,'' that too struck me as anti-TREK. But she looked fetching as always, so I quickly let it pass.
Cut it meaning what?
He's a barely holding his rage together and is an amazing villain.
"Anti-Trek."
Uh-huh.
Or uncharacteristic.
It's uncharacteristic for people to talk like...people?
TOS invented Trek. How could it be anti-Trek?
People talking like people is not why I watch Star Trek. If I want to hear normal sounding people, I'd have a conversation with a live human being.
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"Hi Christopher, I'm Nero" was amazing. It's so different than the other shakespearean lines people utter. Really, Nero doesn't give a crap about these guys. They're NPCs who wandered into this game of revenge against Old Man Spock. They're 200 year old ghosts to him. He might as well be talking to holodeck characters. And he's a miner, way more casual and there's an efficiency about him. "Hi, can you come over to my ship or I am going to kill you."
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