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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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I love Starbursts!
I have to try this. I've seen it at gift shops but I assumed it was terrible
Unexplainably canonical!
I disagree. Calling them anything but Opal Fruits is a canon violation of the greatest magnitude.
Retconned? No. The change was underway. The Esilon 9 crew have their own insignia and by Star Trek II the arrowhead is everywhere. But in TOS it was not and there is no need to retconn anything that is changed at a later point in time.
Why go into the list. You don't actually care. And holograms are not specifically denied, but a cloaking device is only found with the Romulans. This is just another example of how the Discovery production team did absolutely no research whatsoever to even try to get things right. Compare this to the attention to detail in Rogue One or the detail to get the sets and costumes right in the last Doctor Who Christmas special (which intersected with the first Doctor's final episode. Both did their research and nailed it. NAILED IT. That is 40 and 50 years after the original and they did their research and did it right. Discovery had no research (it shows) and failed to even get close. Sorry if I have high standards, but when all the sequels from TNG to Enterprise make the effort to get it right and Discovery fails in a big way that I hold Discovery to the same standard that the previous 4 series achieved. And I know the flaws in those and if Discovery had the same level of flaws I wouldn't mind. In Relics, the bridge set railing wasn't in the right place. In Trials and Tribbleations the uniform colors weren't accurate (they used gold instead of the golden avacado) and the ship model was close but had some errors. In Flashback the reused a lot of Star Trek VI footage, but the new fx feature a new model that is close, but off in many details from the Excelsior (not TOS, but still a recreation of another era). In A Mirror Darkly did a fantastic job of replicating the 60's asthetic. They did a CG Defiant that had a more detailed hull and the uniform colors were closers. So given all those call backs to previous (or future) eras and how well it was done, Discovery flat out fails. It is isn't called being stuck in the past, it is called continuity. You break that and you have a visual reboot. Given the other things that Discovery got flat out wrong, it is more than a reboot.
Sorry, but I just watched Enterprise Incident recently (one of my favorite episodes) and that story is based on the the Klingons trading their ships to the Romulans in exchange for cloaking device technology. Klingons did not have birds of prey or cloaking devices before that. The ship in Star Trek III is a stolen Romulan ship. These are basic things that take minutes to research. They are so basic that even casual original fans know them. There are little things and big things and just plain different things and they all add together to label Discovery a reboot. I think it had a horrible start. It was the single worst first episode I have ever seen from Trek (or most other series). I really didn't care about the characters at all and I waited months before I watched anything else. Even bingeing it was not terribly good. It wasn't terrible, but it was like season 3 of Lost - a lot of so what. I decided to compare it to two Star Trek episodes I had never seen, the 2 hour finales of DS9 and Voyager and both of those were better. So I would not rate Discovery very high, but it is not terrible and I can see why people might like it. I did not. I got over the Klingon look (though the mouth prosthetics bothered me every time they would talk) by embracing it as a reboot and I enjoyed it more than the 2009 film. And I was able to ignore the fequent errors that pushed it further and further from TOS (though the Klingons had already done it). Mudd was so not the same character. The Spore Drive was stupid. The uniforms were cool (again better than the 2009 Kelvin uniforms) but didn't fit the time period (they fit 10 years before Pike). The phasers were a cool blend of the pilot and series , but they fall in a 1 year window between the pilots and series. So many things about the set design were call backs to the 2009 film rather than any Enterprise or TOS designs. The ships were big where all the originals (Enterprise through Voyager) are more cramped. The warp engines don't fit any trek asthetic (round cylindars in Enterpirse and TOS and taller and squarer but still somewhat cylindrical in the movie era and then more eliptical in TNG era then boxy in Voyager). The ships are designed big like the 2009 movie (or rather the redo after they made the hanger interior too large). Lorca having things in his ready room that the TOS Enterprise were the first to discover. I could go on and on about the goofs that are so easy to not make that they made anyway. They are the type of goofs that the BSG reboot did to echo the original. We are just supposed to accept CBS saying it is the prime timeline when the entire production feels like a reboot? No. It is a reboot and the sooner they admit that and end this silliness the better. I have not been impressed with the suits attitude since CBS took over Star Trek. Paramount was so much better when they were in charge.
^^ And I am still pissed that they had a freaking Tribble, AND they had a freaking Klingon spy on the ship, AND the two never met. So what was the point of all these "callbacks"? I guess former showrunners just stuck a Tribble in there not having any idea what it could mean to the plot. Again, lack of research.
I don't really know who to blame the mess that the first season is on? Rogue One did huge business playing on nostalgia, for all we know, CBS forced a ton of wink-nods on the show in order to play up on that nostalgia. And we'll know as the second season rolls on whether or not that was a good bet to make. Based on how many people who subscribed for season one will come back and pay for the show again?
Even with that, the writers didn't do a very good job of telling a dramatic story. The writing was downright cringeworthy at times.
How? The TOS style decals (technically they are called markings as decals are for models and include a lot besides the markings) are either a red tripple pennant or single pennant with a stylized sideways rounded arrowish shape on it and the TMP, TNG, DS9, and Voyager style is two separate stripes that follow the Enterprise arrowhead (aimed forward so sideways compared to the uniform insignia) on a circle or oval. I can't find good shots of the ships, but the Eaglemoss replicas clearly show the later era markings with the text in Microgamma. The TOS markings are very different as are Enterprise and the text for both is Amarillo.
Really? I've been a trek fan since 1984. I could do a better job without looking anything up (and I haven't been following Trek much since DS9 season 5. And with Memory Alpha, everything is an easy search away for anyone with web browser.
No he didn't. They tried mouth prosthetics a couple of time in TNG and they didn't work well. These are far more obstructive and the Klingon was muddled.
I did indeed. Wishful thinking that NBC had it.
Really? They were copying Space 1999. They were very simple. And in Trek, what is the future? Why does everyone forget the 21st century near apocalypse that graces their timeline following the Eugenics War? Discovery should fit in between Enterprise and TOS (with those highly futuristic touch buttons that apparently could do multiple things - they may look like simple lights, but the possibilities are quite endless and something that actually is more futuristic than anything seen on Enterprise).
I think many folks here could have done a better job. Which is what makes the claims of "Prime" embarrassing.
Bit of a disagreement with some of the above, it actually bothers me as much that previous series did attempt to recreate to original look. It bothered me in the sequels less, when it seemed unlikely they would be going back to that period, but it felt definitely wrong for Enterprise to do it. I also believe some of those attempts were partly done because it was easier to mimic the design than it was too update the look on a way.
And in the point of the Bird of Prey in TSFS being Romulan, that is not canon. Some people accept it as such because it was originally part of the script, but still. That doesn't count.
And in the point of the Bird of Prey in TSFS being Romulan, that is not canon. Some people accept it as such because it was originally part of the script, but still. That doesn't count.
Sorry but you cannot write things like this for real. Sulibans, Romulans, Xyrillians and humans used cloaking devices in 2150s. Xyrylians even gave holodeck to Klingons and that was only thing Klingons wanted. They weren't surprised with cloaked Xyrylian ship and didn't wanted this technology.
Yes, the DSC Enterprise has the red TOS markings on her nacelles (with the correct Arrowhead shape) and something similar on the Engineering Hull, it's just missing the third stripe.
As does the USS Shran (minus the boomerang/arroehead)
The USS Karala
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Yes, the DSC Enterprise has the red TOS markings on her nacelles (with the correct Arrowhead shape) and something similar on the Engineering Hull, it's just missing the third stripe.
As does the USS Shran (minus the boomerang/arroehead)
The USS Karala
Boomerang... excellent name for it. But the secondary hull has two stripes instead of three and no gap. The other have no yellow boomerang. And why are these ships marked like this and the supposedly old Shenzhou has the TMP era markings? And why Microgamma instead of Amarillo? It doesn't take much research to get this stuff right.
Well, the Federation and the Klingons don't get cloaking technology until The Enterprise Incident so my comment stands. That is TOS season 3.
One of two things solve pretty much everything: either treat Star Trek or Discovery as their own separate entity.
And Enterprise
Yes I pointed that out in my post.
The USS Europa did have the TOS hull font (with an outline) in the very first trailer it appeared in, but then it was changed for the final release
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Why is it a problem in Enterprise? It was a ship from the future in the mirror universe. Fans knew it was from TOS and they nailed the look.
And while the movie never mentions that the ship was stolen from the Romulans, it is painted with bird wings like the TOS Romulan ship and called a Bird of Prey like the TOS ship and the Klingons had no history of that in either TOS or TMP. The TMP Klingon ship was covered with angular panels in a geometric pattern, not a feather pattern. And it looked more gray on screen than green (and the model wasn't really green). This is carried over by all the TNG Romulan ships being the same green and the other Klingon ships being either the dark color or teal green - the color of the underside of the TOS Klingon ship. Plus the cloaking device and the lack of Klingon displays. Everything about the ship screams Romulan more than Klingon. The stolen part isn't found anywhere in canon and it can be assumed to as easily been acquired in trade, purchase, or treaty. But the Romulan origin of the ship fits with what we seen on screen.
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