Doesn't a visual reboot make it a reboot? Especially when you consider advances technology like the use of DNA that was never even hinted at in TOS?
With DNA, episodes like "Conscious of the King" would be a completely different animal.
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Doesn't a visual reboot make it a reboot? Especially when you consider advances technology like the use of DNA that was never even hinted at in TOS?
With DNA, episodes like "Conscious of the King" would be a completely different animal.
I've never said it wasn't a visual reboot, which is a form of reboot. The main issue has been does it follow the same story or a similar story?
This falls into the territory of nitpicky.
It would've even been retconned even in the Berman Era. Which anyone except the hardest core of hardcore, diehard TOS Onlies would consider the same timeline.
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Does it though? The shows are made in distinctively different times. Our society is completely different, our expectations, our understanding of the universe.
"Conscious of the King" is over in five minutes. "Balance of Terror" becomes a different episode based on how Discovery handles cloaking devices. "Errand of Mercy" just couldn't have happened the way it did if the Federation and Klingons were at war just eight years earlier.
Ayelbourne: "What the fuck is wrong with you people? Seriously? Didn't you just fight a fucking war a decade ago? Did you really learn nothing?"
Cutting-and-pasting what I edited into my last post: [The DNA] would've even been retconned even in the Berman Era. Which anyone except the hardest core of hardcore, diehard TOS Onlies would consider the same timeline.
Anyway, you're at 100% today. That's great that you're all energized but I'm not. I'm not going argue about DNA.
So, before you go any further... I'll say "Uncle".
Why are you trying to marginalize the point that I'm making? I notice this a lot when discrepancies are brought up. Based on how nothing about the Prime universe is actually important (any time anything is brought up it is called "nitpicking"), why is it important that Discovery be in the Prime universe?
Jesus Christ, I surrender. White Flag. You win! I don't need to win every argument. Stop.
It isn't about winning, and I'm not trying to offend anyone or piss them off. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around why it is so important that this show is Prime, when nothing about Prime seems to be important?
Fucking A. I already said in this thread in the previous damn page that it doesn't affect my enjoyment. Okay?
As said before, its probably market research. My poll here ages ago showed 10% die hard fans would cancel their subscriptions if the show wasn't a Prime Universe series. And they probably think those fans will swallow anything they slap "prime universe" on. They figure the other 90% don't care as long as they're entertained.
I was interested in the thinking of those that wouldn't watch if it wasn't Prime.
How many retcons can TOS handle before there's nothing there?
You weren't going to get that thinking by asking me because I still would've watched if it wasn't Prime. So, I don't know. I can't read the minds of others.
TOS will always be there exacty as it is now.
Obviously not. At least not in overall narrative terms, it simply can't be. And the 1701 that hangs in the Smithsonian is gone as well. Replaced by something 25% different.
Nope. Discovery novel Drastic Measures explains DNA question.
I shouldn't have to read a novel to make two TV shows fit together.
Why is it important that it's not? It seems the stuff that actually matters is important. Fretting over the small stuff is the very definition of nitpicking.
Unless they try to spin it that Discovery is a reboot of the prime universe.
No. Narrative contradictions in story progression that can't logically be reconciled (sometimes) have that effect. It's a totally different version of the same (basic) story.
Significantly, it's possible to do a reboot WITHOUT actually changing any of the visuals. Full Metal Alchemist basically did this, and "Never Say Never Again" is basically just a remake of "Thunderball" with Sean Connery playing Bond yet again.
I'm thinking very large chunks of TOS are going to wind up being retconned out of existence by the time Discovery wraps up. The producers have SAID they are not going to do this and so far have avoided it, but frankly, I don't believe them.
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Yup. He was the only one within TOS itself.
Unless we're talking about some of the shipboard personnel like Kyle, M'Benga, DeSalle, or Leslie.
You don't have to know details from novel if you wouldn't seek imaginary reasons to negative attitude against DSC. Important thing is that your statement was false and Dayton Ward proved it in his novel.
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