Same here. Don't care if it is Star Trek or not. It will eventually find its place amongst the larger continuity, perhaps not perfectly, and that's ok.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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And there's also the recreation room from TAS...
See? The idea is already writing itself.
Which goes to show again how Trek keeps rewriting what tech is new in what time period.
We don't talk about that...it undermines arguments against Discovery.
How do we know there wasn't a hologram thing on the Enterprise and we just never saw it?
That's too reasonable.
I have to wonder about the light cube games seen on the recreational deck in TMP. Decker and the Iliaprobe place their hands on a touch-sensitive surface and the cubes begin to glow and rise ever so slightly above the table. I don't see anything that would imply the light cubes use holographic projections of light but it's one of those pieces of TOS and TOS Movie technology where you wonder if they're actually a lot more advanced than they already look.
I would never be surprised if the refitted 1701 had some holographic games and other recreational technology. By 1979 the Trek universe was already embracing more contemporary technology like docking rings on shuttles and actual computer displays.
I would never be surprised if the refitted 1701 had some holographic games and other recreational technology. By 1979 the Trek universe was already embracing more contemporary technology like docking rings on shuttles and actual computer displays.
From VOY: "Flashback"
JANEWAY: It was a very different time, Mister Kim. Captain Sulu, Captain Kirk, Dr. McCoy. They all belonged to a different breed of Starfleet officer. Imagine the era they lived in. The Alpha Quadrant still largely unexplored. Humanity on verge of war with Klingons. Romulans hiding behind every nebula. Even the technology we take for granted was still in its early stages. No plasma weapons, no multiphasic shields. Their ships were half as fast.
KIM: No replicators, no holodecks. You know, ever since I took Starfleet history at the academy, I always wondered what it would be like to live in those days.
http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/225.htm
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Because TAS wasn't considered canon until long after "Flashback(VOY)" aired in 1996. Until fairly recently most fans as well as Paramount didn't hold TAS up as part of the canonical timeline of events.
Have the DISCO writers/producers said whether they consider TAS canon? I'm pretty sure the Voyager guys didn't, but the DS9 people snuck in a couple of references.
For the longest time "Yesteryear" and Robert April seemed to be the only canonical elements of TAS that just about every fan seemed to recognize. Everything else was in iffy territory at best and largely dismissed as apocryphal.
DSC included Robert April in their list of Biggest Fanwank References, so to that extent, they acknowledge information from TAS.
I happened to be watching Whom Gods Destroy yesterday and remembered that whole speech about how there was a need for Garth's warlike types before but now the Federation has achieved brotherhood and a great new age. The clear implication being that pretty recently, i.e. in the couple of decades or so preceding, Starfleet was a very different beast and the lovey dovey federation we all came to enjoy didn't exist yet.
Interesting how that never gets cited as a reference when condemning Discovery for being 'too dark'. Mostly because TOS contradicted it the following week, but then that's the inviolable continuity of Star Trek.
Interesting how that never gets cited as a reference when condemning Discovery for being 'too dark'. Mostly because TOS contradicted it the following week, but then that's the inviolable continuity of Star Trek.
We all know continuity is perfect.
We'll probably see one next season and everyone will panic
You will notice that Janeway says "Even the technology we take for granted was still in its early stages" and then proceeds to name a bunch of stuff that TOS didn't have, like Plasma weapons. As we all know (and I totally didn't have to look this up...) Enterprise NX-01 was also equipped with plasma weapons. Now, we could declare Enterprise non-canon or we could combine that statement with the previous one, with how technology was "in its early stages". And this particular statement fits perfectly with what Kim says. They didn't have replicators but food slots, which is similar but not totally there yet. And they also had holographic locations, but you couldn't use it for an all-immersive experience with story and shit, you could just do your training and shoot holoKlingons, which is a vastly different thing.
Also, ships in the 23rd century weren't half as fast and there were no Romulans behind literally every nebula. This whole exchange feels very colloquial when you watch the episode.
Curiously, when I accessed that episode on netflix I already was at the end of that particular scene from the last time we had this discussion. Ahh, remember the 1x05 tech problems thread? Those were good times... That one time marsh8472 edited Memory Alpha to make TAS appear non-canon. Brilliant. I miss those times.
Technically the early ship-mounted cannons and EM-33 pistols seen in Season 1 of ENT were electromagnetic pulse weapons, not plasma weapons per se.
Discovery is definitely Prime Timeline "Refactored" or "Integrated" with some effects of the JJ-verse / Time Travel mucking about.
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