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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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Naked Now was in no way a sequel. At best, it was a quasi-remake. Tri-N-Trib was - by its own conception - an homage.
As long as the "history" of the "new" show is used solely as backstory, then it holds no more weight than if it were compulsory backstory invented for the "new" episode itself, which is exactly how the mirror episodes were written. There's nothing inherently pre/sequential about them -- other than they literally can be marked on a fictitious calendar in a fictitious world.
Then....
TOS = Earth 2
1979-2005 Star Trek = Earth 1
Kelvin Timeline = New Earth
Discovery = Prime Earth
So, either way you slice it, Discovery is Prime.
I can't imagine the amount of fan service that will be necessary for some people to accept this is the same timeline/universe. The show is constantly doing callbacks, and I doubt that there is a feasible way to make these fans happy and have it remain coherent or watchable.
Yeah, but most of the callback are to Enterprise, which just proves that it's NOT in the same universe as Star Trek.
Enterprise fans have been complaining there aren't enough ENT call backs and they're probably right. Most have occurred in just the last few episodes. There are probably more TOS call backs in Lorca's Ready Room, than ENT call backs in the entire first season. So, no.
It's irreconcilable with TOS even though we are not canonically told so, the civilization shown us in TOS does not read as a culture which just had 20% of it territory occupied by a blood enemy. That a pre-TOS war with the Klingons might have been fought is already baked into the canon (the inconclusive battle of Donatu V 20 years pre Tribbles) but not a war which the UFP lost for all intents and purposes only a pressing of the Old Reset Button fits this beast in with the Prime timeline, DISC's Introduction of the Infinite Improbability Drive gives them the handiest dandiest ORB around
Several of the planets that we see Burnham 'visit' in the spore chamber are identifiable but not named by Lorca, so the explanation wit hthe fewest assumptions as far as I can see is that his dialogue doesn't actually link to what Burnham sees.
That's not the case. We see Starbase 11, and the Janus VI mining facility, neither of which are mentioned in dialogue.
Do the Netherlands 'read' like a culture occupied by an enemy power? If so, how? What are you expecting to see that isn't there in TOS? Kirk in Errand of Mercy seems pretty familiar with Klingons' approach to occupation.
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Enterprise is in the same Prime continuity as TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY. Sorry, but the "Enterprise is in a completely different timeline created by the events in First Contact" theory just doesn't wash and never will.
I don't even get it.
The NX-01 is in the Enterprise-D's holodeck computer in the year 2370, more than three years before the events in First Contact and any alleged change in the timeline in the past. If ENT never happened from the perspective of Kirk and Picard why is that craptastic holoprogram from "TATV..." aboard the Enterprise-D?
And now you made me bring up "TATV..." in a thread when I wasn't planning to. Now I feel dirty. I hope you guys are happy.
And now you made me bring up "TATV..." in a thread when I wasn't planning to. Now I feel dirty. I hope you guys are happy.
i mean, i would be very happy if they admitted the show isn't in the prime timeline, simply so they're not confined by the odd choice of only a 10 year gap between it and TOS and so they can just do their own thing like the movies.
but i just recently rewatched star trek: insurrection and it's hard to believe that story is set against the dominion war on DS9. they mention it but gloss over it for a fun romp with boob jokes. so, you know, tonal inconsistency isn't uncommon in the franchise.
10 years is a long time and plenty of time to recover from the way . There is no reason a war with the klingons couldn't have happened 10 years prior to TOS. Nothing.
And 20% is FAR from a majority of Federation space. Whether or not the reset button is used it's not as if the entire Federation from the Klingon border to Earth is now a huge slave labor camp with humans laboring in the dilithium mines and San Francisco under occupation by Klingon soldiers. Had the episode said that half or more of the Federation had been overrun and conquered then I might start groaning and rolling my eyes but twenty percent of territory being taken by an enemy is believable, especially if a lot of the outlying sectors along the Klingon border are lightly populated and look bigger and more impressive on a star map than they really are.
Kirk did make a comment in errand of mercy that he knew what it was like when Klingons conquered a planet. Maybe this is how he knows.
Fair point. The Federation had witnessed Klingons organizing conquered worlds into slave labor camps. If it had little contact with the Empire for nearly a century then when else would Starfleet officers have been privy to how Klingons invade and occupy other planets if not in an armed conflict of some kind?
ENT is Prime.
It is kind of sad that the most hated episode ever is the linchpin in the argument of what is and isn't in the Prime timeline, but you're right. TATV eliminates the possibility that ENT is in a divergent timeline, which is a shame, in my view. Most if not all of the contradictions and continuity issues with ENT can easily be explained by that theory, even why the ship was called Enterprise. But it wasn't to be. One more thing TATV ruined. This is why we can't have nice things in divergent timelines.
TATV implies heavily, in that case, that ST:FC was a predestination paradox - that the events in Montana had always gone down that way in Trek history.
I've watched all of TNG and the NX-01 isn't mentioned once.
Agreed. First contact didn't create a new timeline. ENT just never happened.
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