Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[DS9-31]

my issues were strictly with the script and execution. To a similar extent I feel the same about DISCOVERY

I dislike Discovery for its poor execution also, not because it's not like the previous shows, or because of the visual changes or canon violations. As someone that watches a lot of Television, I would have given up on Disco earlier than I did if it didn't have the Star Trek name. I thought late VOY/Nemesis and ENT were mediocre and the franchise needed a change, but sadly JJ and Discovery are not it. I like some of JJ's stuff like Lost. I liked Fringe which Kurtzman was involved in.

I see Kurtmazn was also involved with Sleepy Hollow. I think Discovery is closer in quality to Sleepy Hollow than Fringe. Sleepy Hollow had a lot of seemingly interesting storylines that went nowhere and/or made little sense. It was filled with a ton of shock value and aha moments to where it become downright silly and unbelievable.

 

[King Bob!]

Star Trek has become bogged down by a sense of "great importance" rather than being, first and foremost, an entertainment vehicle.

I would love if Discovery was entertaining.

 

[jaime]

I would love if Discovery was entertaining.

No no...an entertainment vehicle...a thing for moving entertainment..like...channel surfing...or watching the other Trek series on the streaming service ...

(I kid I kid. I am in the middle zone on DSC at this point.)

 

[Tuskin38]

They keep talking about how "The Discovery Universe" as well in the panel.

Several people that matter from that panel mention the Prime Universe and said that Discovery is in it.
Stop ignoring things you don't agree with.

By Discovery Universe they mean their visual look.

 

[fireproof78]

Legitimate question. What do you even like about Star Trek because all you seem to do is pretend that the rest of the Star Trek franchise is boring and that Discovery is the only entertaining thing about Trek and that Discovery is the only route that Trek could go in to keep it "entertaining"?

Star Trek has never been lowest common denominator garbage like you seem to pretend that is what only matters. If you want lowest common denominator garbage, go watch Marvel or DC movies or watch Transformers crap. People watch Star Trek because the Star Trek brand comes with expectations that you're going to get somewhat intelligent utopian sci-fi.

There's a lot of assumptions in that question.

 

[Graham]

I think this needs to be restated. Star Trek has become bogged down by a sense of "great importance" rather than being, first and foremost, an entertainment vehicle.

And yet here we are, with the least entertaining Trek series ever made.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Several people that matter from that panel mention the Prime Universe and said that Discovery is in it.
Stop ignoring things you don't agree with.

By Discovery Universe they mean their visual look.

It's kind of like how the DS9 staff explained when introducing Worf into the cast that he would be different from TNG Worf. That doesn't literally mean it's a different and separate person from who we saw on TNG, only that it would be a different interpretation of the same character to better fit with DS9's dynamic. DISCOVERY is a new take on Star Trek as much as TMP, TNG, and other spin-offs were their own thing. The only difference is that they're taking bigger liberties with the visual aesthetics close to TOS, to the annoyance of Ex Astris Scientia.

 

[fireproof78]

And yet here we are, with the least entertaining Trek series ever made.

Which is highly subjective, and doesn't make it less "Star Trek." I just means not everyone is going to enjoy it, which is nothing new.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Which is highly subjective, and doesn't make it less "Star Trek." I just means not everyone is going to enjoy it, which is nothing new.

Don't you remember that time when everyone loved every Star Trek series and everything was wonderful?

 

[Graham]

Which is highly subjective, and doesn't make it less "Star Trek." I just means not everyone is going to enjoy it, which is nothing new.

Then why even suggest that what Star Trek needs is to focus on entertainment? If entertainment is entirely subjective and there's no way to know what people will find entertaining, they need to stop focusing on entertainment at all because it's an unattainable goal.

 

[Leo Walsh]

And yet here we are, with the least entertaining Trek series ever made.

It entertains three or four million people, stateside. That's all CBS asks.

 

[Graham]

It entertains three or four million people, stateside. That's all CBS asks.

Do you have a source for that claim?

 

[MakeshiftPython]

And yet here we are, with the least entertaining Trek series ever made.

I thought VOYAGER was the least entertaining.

 

[Graham]

I thought VOYAGER was the least entertaining.

So did I. And then I thought Enterprise was. But they both look like the series of the century next to Discovery.

Hmmm. Come to think of it, Trek has pretty much been on a downward trajectory since DS9 ended. That's rather depressing.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Whereas I'd say DS9 and ENT, especially early on, were utterly tedious.

DSC had a flat finale and a plot twist I hated, but I wasn't bored.

 

[fireproof78]

Then why even suggest that what Star Trek needs is to focus on entertainment? If entertainment is entirely subjective and there's no way to know what people will find entertaining, they need to stop focusing on entertainment at all because it's an unattainable goal.

Just because it is subjective doesn't mean they shouldn't strive for expanding their reach. Why not work to find things that entertain more people?

Don't you remember that time when everyone loved every Star Trek series and everything was wonderful?

Yes, but I haven't spoken to some of those friends in years

 

[MakeshiftPython]

So did I. And then I thought Enterprise was. But they both look like the series of the century next to Discovery.

I don't agree. I just finished rewatching VOYAGER a few weeks ago. Though I don't think DISCOVERY is without flaws, it's had more to offer in entertainment than some long stretches of VOYAGER's stale presentation. I'm currently rewatching ENTERPRISE and have just finished the first season. Improvements over VOYAGER have only been pretty marginal, otherwise it feels about as stale as an eighth season could have likely been.

On a strictly first season basis, I'd rank TNG, VOYAGER, and ENTERPRISE below DISCOVERY's.

 

[Graham]

Just because it is subjective doesn't mean they shouldn't strive for expanding their reach. Why not work to find things that entertain more people?

You can't have it both ways. You can't say the show should try to be entertaining on the one hand, and then when somebody points out that it actually isn't, dismiss that as just subjective.

Of course the show should be entertaining. It would be an act of idiocy to say otherwise. The point is that it isn't.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say the show should try to be entertaining on the one hand, and then when somebody points out that it actually isn't, dismiss that as just subjective.

Of course the show should be entertaining. It would be an act of idiocy to say otherwise. The point is that it isn't.

The point is that not everyone shares your opinion. You think DISCOVERY is the worst? Ok. I don't.

 

[fireproof78]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say the show should try to be entertaining on the one hand, and then when somebody points out that it actually isn't, dismiss that as just subjective.

Of course the show should be entertaining. It would be an act of idiocy to say otherwise. The point is that it isn't.

Yet, I find it entertaining. Others do as well, and have stated as such.

The point is that not everyone shares your opinion.

Yes, this.