Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[cooleddie74]

GOOD CATCH!

But, alas - 1968. Like, too ancient for hip modern audiences, bro. Get with the times and trade in that Walkman for an iPod, Captain Squares McObsolete!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Aaron Harberts: The idea was to always be in the Prime Timeline. Obviously, there are questions and concerns and things that are different. Our technology is a little different. We have a ship that runs very differently. We are our own show in a lot of ways. Season two is really exciting for us. This is our opportunity to really show how Discovery fits into this Prime Timeline. We are firmly committed to that.

Looks like the people behind the show can't agree on what they're doing.

 

[Graham]

It's long been obvious that things like that are said strictly for PR purposes, not because they are any kind of guide to how the show is made.

 

[BillJ]

Looks like the people behind the show can't agree on what they're doing.

I really wish they would say they were committed to writing a great story.

 

[Tuskin38]

Looks like the people behind the show can't agree on what they're doing.

They're talking about the visual universe in regards to the Enterprise.

 

[The Wormhole]

Looks like the people behind the show can't agree on what they're doing.

Which we already knew from that covfefe a few weeks back regarding how the show is both allowed to reference the movies and forbidden from referencing the movies.

 

[F. King Daniel]

They're talking about the visual universe in regards to the Enterprise.

Person 1: It's Prime Universe!
Person 2: Discovery is it's own world where things are different.

Which we already knew from that covfefe a few weeks back regarding how the show is both allowed to reference the movies and forbidden from referencing the movies.

Person 3: Everything I know about my job I learned from Midnight's Edge.

 

[Rahul]

Honestly? It's all kind of interesting to watch.
The production right now is a dumpster fire. And the result showed it. But so was season 1 of TNG. And we're STILL reading about all the backs and forth of early TNG!
Whatever happens with DIS - I hope they find their own tone and improve on quality, and become better with each season - there will forever be TONS of material on what all went wrong during early production, with tons and tons of behind-the-scenes stuff becoming more and more available, showing all the different directions the show could have taken and HAS had taken at one point or another during the botched production!
Like, hopefully we'll one day look back at DIS and say "first season is a bit weak, but you should watch it anyway, it get's really good later on". But holy hell, the development of season 1 is already MUCH more interesting than the season itself, and I can't wait to get my hands on the first behind-the-scene books as soon as they appear! "Trouble on the bridge - part 2". I really wanna' know what Bryan Fuller and Nicholas Meyer had planned originally, and how much of that spilled over, and how much was changed after they left! That will forever be interesting, and right now we are witnessing it live.

 

[Tuskin38]

Person 2: Discovery is it's own world where things are different.

Said person isn't in charge of the story and narrative.

 

[jaime]

How can it be the same world if the ship isn't the same size?

Ask the Defiant.
Heck..the TOS ent grew spires from her ample nacelles one shot to the next. Maybe someone should tell Glenn and Neville. I bet Sil is their pin up gal.

 

[Donker]

Looks like the people behind the show can't agree on what they're doing

They keep talking about how "The Discovery Universe" as well in the panel.

 

[DavidBu]

I believe they're marketing it as such. I pity Mike Okuda or whoever it is that has to make sense of it all in the next Star Trek Encyclopedia. Because.... no. Its as much the world of TOS as Gotham is the world of Batman V Superman.

I don’t think you have to be worried about a new Star Trek Encyclopedia. Trek for geeks and nerds seems to be gone. What are they going to put into it? This series doesn’t say much about the technical world they live in. The ship models and sets are too dark to see minute details or make out anything specific about the universe they work in. They don’t even explore. Ironic for a show called “Discovery”. We’re in an age where Trek is written by people who grew up considering “Harry Potter” to be a literary classic. This in an age where people don’t read books and literacy is becoming an endangered species. It truly does show in movies and tv shows of today. Most of what’s original is in the past and the studio is too scared to take a chance on something truly new.

There were new things in “Discovery”, but it wasn’t new. The era it’s set in isn’t new, the aesthetics are quite close to existing works, and the score even sounds derivative of past shows. The main character is tied into an existing franchise favorite and his family. They are not only new, but they have passed, and Star Trek comes back to television. This is where it has always flourished but it’s IP holders can’t let go of the past. It can’t grow.

To make matters worse, there’s nothing seemingly meaningful about this Trek. I see it producing few scientists, astronauts, or engineers. Will there be hundreds of books written about this version of Trek? Toys and video games? It’s possible. But it doesn’t appear to be so. I think it’s great and okay to like the series. I don’t think it’s great to have Star Trek just for its own sake. I don’t want to support a brand who’s creators want to shit on me and those like me. Those who spent the time, energy, and money to keep this show alive. And then act like this weird prequel is the successor when it’s barely keeping the story quality of parts of Enterprise. It fails to do that much of the time. And I’ve pumped money into CBS All Access. I made it to the halfway point of the first season. That’s all you get when you charge directly.

TLDR: Star Trek isn’t inspiring astronauts and engineers anymore. There isn’t a rich enough universe onscreen to justify an encyclopedia of NuTrek.

 

[fireproof78]

TLDR: Star Trek isn’t inspiring astronauts and engineers anymore. There isn’t a rich enough universe onscreen to justify an encyclopedia of NuTrek.

And it doesn't need to to be "Star Trek" or enjoyable.

 

[Vger23]

I don’t think you have to be worried about a new Star Trek Encyclopedia. Trek for geeks and nerds seems to be gone. What are they going to put into it? This series doesn’t say much about the technical world they live in. The ship models and sets are too dark to see minute details or make out anything specific about the universe they work in. They don’t even explore. Ironic for a show called “Discovery”. We’re in an age where Trek is written by people who grew up considering “Harry Potter” to be a literary classic. This in an age where people don’t read books and literacy is becoming an endangered species. It truly does show in movies and tv shows of today. Most of what’s original is in the past and the studio is too scared to take a chance on something truly new.

There were new things in “Discovery”, but it wasn’t new. The era it’s set in isn’t new, the aesthetics are quite close to existing works, and the score even sounds derivative of past shows. The main character is tied into an existing franchise favorite and his family. They are not only new, but they have passed, and Star Trek comes back to television. This is where it has always flourished but it’s IP holders can’t let go of the past. It can’t grow.

To make matters worse, there’s nothing seemingly meaningful about this Trek. I see it producing few scientists, astronauts, or engineers. Will there be hundreds of books written about this version of Trek? Toys and video games? It’s possible. But it doesn’t appear to be so. I think it’s great and okay to like the series. I don’t think it’s great to have Star Trek just for its own sake. I don’t want to support a brand who’s creators want to shit on me and those like me. Those who spent the time, energy, and money to keep this show alive. And then act like this weird prequel is the successor when it’s barely keeping the story quality of parts of Enterprise. It fails to do that much of the time. And I’ve pumped money into CBS All Access. I made it to the halfway point of the first season. That’s all you get when you charge directly.

TLDR: Star Trek isn’t inspiring astronauts and engineers anymore. There isn’t a rich enough universe onscreen to justify an encyclopedia of NuTrek.

I love the new Star Trek stuff for all the same reasons you hate it. I hope it continues in this direction for years to come. Multiple seasons of DSC and Quinten's revival of the JJ movie franchise are all on the horizon!

Yeah baby! It's a great time to be a fan and not be suffering under the bloated and sluggish weight the franchise had taken on. It was embarrassing.

 

[fireproof78]

I love the new Star Trek stuff for all the same reasons you hate it. I hope it continues in this direction for years to come. Multiple seasons of DSC and Quinten's revival of the JJ movie franchise are all on the horizon!

Yeah baby! It's a great time to be a fan and not be suffering under the bloated and sluggish weight the franchise had taken on. It was embarrassing.

I think this needs to be restated. Star Trek has become bogged down by a sense of "great importance" rather than being, first and foremost, an entertainment vehicle.

 

[DS9-31]

Hopefully, Viacom and CBS will merge and the folks involved in Disco can do what they probably wanted to do all along and put this thing in the Kelvinverse.

 

[Donker]

I think this needs to be restated. Star Trek has become bogged down by a sense of "great importance" rather than being, first and foremost, an entertainment vehicle.

Legitimate question. What do you even like about Star Trek because all you seem to do is pretend that the rest of the Star Trek franchise is boring and that Discovery is the only entertaining thing about Trek and that Discovery is the only route that Trek could go in to keep it "entertaining"?

Star Trek has never been lowest common denominator garbage like you seem to pretend that is what only matters. If you want lowest common denominator garbage, go watch Marvel or DC movies or watch Transformers crap. People watch Star Trek because the Star Trek brand comes with expectations that you're going to get somewhat intelligent utopian sci-fi.

 

[WebLurker]

Hence why they completely ignored canon and now pretend they're going to make it up in S2 (hint: they aren't another lie from the dozens they've already told).
If it was always Prime, why doesn't it match up with Prime timeline at all in pretty much every regard? Why does the show clearly more align with Kelvin?

Let's see what they actually make before damning it. Season 2 could very well fix stuff (ENT reconciled its own share of discrepancies with the larger franchise toward the end of its run).

As far as the Powers That Be describing DSC as it's own world, I think that's more to do with the show having it's own style and themes, not literally that it's not (at least ostensibly) set in the prime universe.

Legitimate question. What do you even like about Star Trek because all you seem to do is pretend that the rest of the Star Trek franchise is boring and that Discovery is the only entertaining thing about Trek and that Discovery is the only route that Trek could go in to keep it "entertaining"?

Can't speak for him, but I do recall seeing him post stuff about liking other series and stuff before. Besides, different people will have different preferences in regards to the franchise overall. Case in point, I've found back issues of old '60s and '70s Amazing Spider-Man comics to be enjoyable, but I personally believe that Ultimate Spider-Man is the superior Spidey series in pretty much every way. Doesn't mean I don't like the other or think its bad, I just have a preference and feel the other tells the better story.

Star Trek has never been lowest common denominator garbage like you seem to pretend that is what only matters. If you want lowest common denominator garbage, go watch Marvel or DC movies or watch Transformers crap.

And yet Marvel gave us Winter Solider (good movie made by people who took it as seriously as they would a "normal" film) and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies (good writing, well-developed characters, and an understanding at how to emotionally invest the audience).

People watch Star Trek because the Star Trek brand comes with expectations that you're going to get somewhat intelligent utopian sci-fi.

And yet the most popular stories of all were comedies about little furballs and whales, Moby-Dick in space!, WWII sub movies in space!, a zombie movie that was a sequel to a zombie/war episode (all "in space!"), hour-long fanwank fests, and two of the biggest budget Star Wars fan films ever made.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Legitimate question. What do you even like about Star Trek because all you seem to do is pretend that the rest of the Star Trek franchise is boring and that Discovery is the only entertaining thing about Trek and that Discovery is the only route that Trek could go in to keep it "entertaining"?

Star Trek has never been lowest common denominator garbage like you seem to pretend that is what only matters. If you want lowest common denominator garbage, go watch Marvel or DC movies or watch Transformers crap. People watch Star Trek because the Star Trek brand comes with expectations that you're going to get somewhat intelligent utopian sci-fi.

Star Trek has always been a versitile product. It was never just one thing or another. In TOS we've seen a plethora of different approaches to the material. One episode can be a tense Cold War allegory that says something about our world. The next can just be a comedic romp with no ambition beyond making a few laughs. Then the next is a court room drama. Then the next is an action packed adventure.

Star Trek has never been just one thing and those that keep insisting on that are just inflating one aspect of the franchise. For example, my problem with the first two nuTrek films has absolutely nothing with the fact that it's just trying to be a fun action packed adventure summer film rather than some deep message film, my issues were strictly with the script and execution. To a similar extent I feel the same about DISCOVERY, though it does a few things I admire more than what Orci/Kurtzman did.

Funnily, I do think the show could use a more jovial touch. Though I'm not a fan of Abrams, I love the whimsical tone he brought back to Trek and I'd like to see some more of that in DISCOVERY much like that Mudd time-loop episode.

 

[F. King Daniel]

TLDR: Star Trek isn’t inspiring astronauts and engineers anymore. There isn’t a rich enough universe onscreen to justify an encyclopedia of NuTrek.

They did one last year, covering everything up to and including Star Trek Into Darkness. Even if astronauts don't care, enough earthbound nerds did.