Since the Enterprise doesn't look like the Prime Enterprise, I'd say no. There could be a hundred universes where the Enterprise launched prior to 2258. Another hundred where it doesn't exist at all during that time.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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Since the Enterprise doesn't look like the Prime Enterprise, I'd say no. There could be a hundred universes where the Enterprise launched prior to 2258. Another hundred where it doesn't exist at all during that time.
Yea - I'm ok with the redesign. That part doesn't bother me (actually the Klingon ships bother me more). I'm more for same general style doesn't need to be exact same. But of course I understand those that do want it more exact.
I do consider Enterprise Prime too and I think the uniforms and ship design are a direct link back to Enterprise. I do hope to see the Constitution class uniforms we all expect and no jumpsuits.
I do consider Enterprise Prime too and I think the uniforms and ship design are a direct link back to Enterprise. I do hope to see the Constitution class uniforms we all expect and no jumpsuits.
The Romulan cloaking device I can personally explain with some clever head canon. Starfleet after the Earth-Romulan War classified any and all data about the enemy's technology so as to eliminate fears within the Coalition of Planets and the eventual Federation that the Romulans would return in invisible ships and wreak havoc on their old adversaries, only this time with more powerful weapons and more advanced technology.
Kirk and Spock didn't know about Romulan cloaking devices because their databanks would have no record of them.
Except Spock served during the war, and I doubt such a huge technological leap could be kept quiet.
Yeah, I know. I guess we could always say that Romulan invisiblity screens and any Klingon ships with cloaks from a decade before were considered different technologies and the only surprise in TOS is that the Romulans have them.
Believe me, this is why I wish they hadn't gone the Klingon cloaking device route. It makes explaining this crap more difficult and annoying.
Believe me, this is why I wish they hadn't gone the Klingon cloaking device route. It makes explaining this crap more difficult and annoying.
Which was why I personally wanted a reboot (or alternate timeline). The writers and artists could be free to imagine the universe any way they liked.
When they were working on a solution to the cloaking device, Burnham uses some of the same lingo as Spock does to explain it. Including "bending of light". IIRC.
I guess it's possible the Enterprise never saw combat with a cloaked Klingon warship during the war and thus Spock never saw it with his own eyes...but eh, I'm kinda doubting it.
If nothing else, I hope they get their act together on the writing and at least make the show seem interesting. While not leaning as much on nostalgia. Toss Sarek out and airlock and go explore some strange new worlds.
Sarek needs to become a once-a-season guest star. I like James Frain. I like his Sarek so much better than the one played by Ben Cross in the Kelvin timeline. But he doesn't need to be showing up more often than Lt. Leslie did on TOS.
I've already made it clear that to me events and surface details are not one and the same. I understand to you they are, understand that they aren't to me.
He probably is an idiot, given that we saw two different species in the first season of Enterprise have cloaking tech. Or, I simply file the notions of cloaking tech being a new concept in TOS into the "early installment weirdness" box, along with Spock having an human "ancestor", and other oddities.
The Romulan cloaking device I can personally explain with some clever head canon. Starfleet after the Earth-Romulan War classified any and all data about the enemy's technology so as to eliminate fears within the Coalition of Planets and the eventual Federation that the Romulans would return in invisible ships and wreak havoc on their old adversaries, only this time with more powerful weapons and more advanced technology.
Kirk and Spock didn't know about Romulan cloaking devices because their databanks would have no record of them.
There is alread a pretty reasonable canon explanation for it: The ENT-era Romulan cloaking devices as well as the Suliban devices operate on "invisibility shields" - They make stuff invisible, but it's still there. They can make starships look like empty space ("invisible"), or even like other starships (the ENT Romulan three-parter) through some nifty holographic imagery, but if you hit an invisible mine, it's still there.
The TOS-era Romulan cloaking device operates on a completely different physical level though: It phase shifts the entire starship. It's not just "invisible", it's physically not there anymore, but in another realm, so that it even can "cross" through solid matter (TNG: Pegasus, and the "Geordi and Ro are dead"-episode).
The first one (invisibility shield) is something very common for TOS era Spock. The latter one (phase shifted cloaking) is something completely out of the realm of Spock's (and Federations) knowledge.
Rude.
Hey...hey...HEY! Get out of here with rational thinking
There are several rational explanations for why Spock seemed surprised at Romulan cloaking technology in TOS. Sometimes we sad nerds can come up with some good theories. 
I believe Pegasus was the only ship that cloaked via phase shift. It was a whole new level of tech not employed by romulan or Klingon cloak. This why the federation experimented in it (illegally) as it would give them completely superior cloak not just a match to existing tech that they could probably have duplicated easily had they wanted to.
Subjective on that point.The writing blows. It is what it is.
Romulans were experimenting with something similar in "The Next Phase" I believe.
Good episode!
Same here.
As I said, enjoyment of entertainment is highly subjective but I have not been bored by DISCO thus far.
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