Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[cultcross]

It makes zero sense and a human shot would totally change the Voq/ash story.

Plus the immediate recognition of the landing part in ep. 15 as Human, not Augment Klingon. And that can't be explained as 'they smelled human' or something because Tyler is literally a damn Klingon. I would say human looking Klingons, Tyler style cosmetics aside, are not part of Discovery's world. This is just another version of the Klingon design.

ETA: The 'twist' at the end of the Trouble with Tribbles implies there was always a visible distinction between humans and Klingons which is perhaps not on display through 60s makeup, or Arne's 'pretending to be Human' is literally just changing his shirt and combing his hair. If it is that difficult to visually distinguish the two it raises the question of why a brief tricorder scan was not a prerequisite for officials, especially near disputed space.

 

[Nyotarules]

Ironically (because I think they never thought of it), in the context of 1969, the Romulans were more socially advanced than the Federation.

And mirror Enterprise was more diverse

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Plus the immediate recognition of the landing part in ep. 15 as Human, not Augment Klingon. And that can't be explained as 'they smelled human' or something because Tyler is literally a damn Klingon. I would say human looking Klingons, Tyler style cosmetics aside, are not part of Discovery's world. This is just another version of the Klingon design.

ETA: The 'twist' at the end of the Trouble with Tribbles implies there was always a visible distinction between humans and Klingons which is perhaps not on display through 60s makeup, or Arne's 'pretending to be Human' is literally just changing his shirt and combing his hair. If it is that difficult to visually distinguish the two it raises the question of why a brief tricorder scan was not a prerequisite for officials, especially near disputed space.

Kind of like how the protagonists on each show meet civilizations that just happen to look identically human, but we're supposed to roll with the idea that they're alien. It's all in the suspension of disbelief. You can't take everything visually depicted in Star Trek literal to the point of needing to explain why alien makeup changes. We got that unnecessary explanation in ENTERPRISE about the Klingons, does that mean we're going to need an explanation for why TOS Romulans don't have pronounced brows?

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Plus the immediate recognition of the landing part in ep. 15 as Human, not Augment Klingon. And that can't be explained as 'they smelled human' or something because Tyler is literally a damn Klingon. I would say human looking Klingons, Tyler style cosmetics aside, are not part of Discovery's world. This is just another version of the Klingon design.

ETA: The 'twist' at the end of the Trouble with Tribbles implies there was always a visible distinction between humans and Klingons which is perhaps not on display through 60s makeup, or Arne's 'pretending to be Human' is literally just changing his shirt and combing his hair. If it is that difficult to visually distinguish the two it raises the question of why a brief tricorder scan was not a prerequisite for officials, especially near disputed space.

All of this, the ENT retcon was stupid, it even made the TOS stories worse as klingons could shave and pass as human.

 

[Nyotarules]

The Augment virus doesn't need to retconned. At all. There is no logical reson to do so and "I don't like it" isn't justification for producers to jettison canon from the most recent series produced during the current century.

The producers do not need to justify anything, go back in time and tell GR the Klingons need to remain in brown face forever!

 

[The Wormhole]

If it is that difficult to visually distinguish the two it raises the question of why a brief tricorder scan was not a prerequisite for officials, especially near disputed space.

According to the novels, Klingons did have the means to mask their biosigns, Darvin just got complacent and lazy and stopped bothering.

klingons could shave and pass as human.

Which was undoubtedly David Gerrold's intent when he wrote Tribbles.

 

[WebLurker]

Honestly, it really doesn't. If the TOS era is largely unexplored, then how is DISCO somehow violating what really isn't known? Same with Starfleet. We didn't seen the entirety of Starfleet, so much so that Franz Joseph, and FASA came up with a huge variety of starships to fill in the gaps.

Once again, we know a lot about Klingon culture and what they looked like from the other shows. While there is room for cultural variations, not that much.

That is how retcons work. They change something, so ENT added a retcon, DSC goes back and retcons the retcon back out.

We will not get human looking ones. It makes zero sense and a human shot would totally change the Voq/ash story.

So if they are around, they will not look human.

But we know for a fact that they do exist in this era, per ENT and TOS, so even if DSC choses to just ignore things, we have to examine the Voq story in light that there are human-like Klingons in existence elsewhere in the DSC world.

 

[fireproof78]

Once again, we know a lot about Klingon culture and what they looked like from the other shows. While there is room for cultural variations, not that much.

Agree to disagree. There is a 100 year gap between TOS and TNG, and yet somehow there is not enough room for some cultural changes in an interplanetary empire? Agree to disagree completely.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Once again, we know a lot about Klingon culture and what they looked like from the other shows. While there is room for cultural variations, not that much.

Think your quote got mangled there man.

And No, we do not know, ENT created them, but as make up changes, nothing says they have to look human at all. You can keep the stupid storyline and make them look nothing like humans, hell add hair or make em TNG style and zero impact on the storyline.

 

[WebLurker]

Agree to disagree. There is a 100 year gap between TOS and TNG, and yet somehow there is not enough room for some cultural changes in an interplanetary empire? Agree to disagree completely.

I can see that point, not so much the new makeup.

 

[fireproof78]

I can see that point, not so much the new makeup.

Genetic engineering, attempting to purify themselves from the Human virus, inbreeding within the 24 great houses, and on and on.

Yeah, i can find reasons why, just like I did with TMP before Augment virus.

 

[roneill]

Kind of like how the protagonists on each show meet civilizations that just happen to look identically human, but we're supposed to roll with the idea that they're alien.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)

 

[Mirror Mirror]

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)

That is humanoid, not human.

 

[roneill]

That is humanoid, not human.

I'm not quite sure what difference making that distinction makes.

 

[Discofan]

I'm not quite sure what difference making that distinction makes.

Human seems more of a coincidence than humanoid.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I'm not quite sure what difference making that distinction makes.

This is humanoid

 

[Discofan]

The last one looks particularly nightmarish!

 

[WebLurker]

Genetic engineering, attempting to purify themselves from the Human virus, inbreeding within the 24 great houses, and on and on.

Yeah, i can find reasons why, just like I did with TMP before Augment virus.

I still think that the question needs an answer onscreen, esp. since the show itself raised it in the first place.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

The last one looks particularly nightmarish!

Yeah, humanoid does not mean its human. It means its vaugly human like in shape. 2 leags, mostly two arms, and a head like structure.

Really, all the chase did was say most life started with the same set of biological bacteria. Like life on earth did, after all birds and humans share the same starting point if you go back to the start of life on earth.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I still think that the question needs an answer onscreen, esp. since the show itself raised it in the first place.

Not really, if they retconned em out, they will just ignore them. Based off the Voq/Ash story, there are no human passing klingons or easy way to make one. So if they are around, they do not look human.