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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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It is, but set in the Prime Timeline.
Very much so, same as TMP, TWOK, TNG, DS9, ENT, and ST09. All had their own spin on the Trek formula, look and tone. Voyager was the closest to a direct continuation of TNG but even it had a unique look and different writing.
That’s what they did. They called it Discovery, to distinguish it from the previous versions.
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Absolutely, I just feel it would have been better if they had kept to recognisable Klingons and ships, it would have been much simpler and a better match with the timeline if they had looked similar to what we saw in ToS or if necessary the original films, they could even include a story arc on how exactly the Klingons were finally able to restore their genetic heritage after the mess they made in Enterprise.
It broke immersion for me especially seeing how the Starfleet ships were kept pretty close in line to what is set before and after.
All it did was add more ammunition to those who feel its a separate universe/reality, personally I don't really mind one way or the other.
Mind you it was already pretty broken after having to listen to all the unnecessary Klingon speech, in small amounts its fine but the pilot had far too much.
All it did was add more ammunition to those who feel its a separate universe/reality, personally I don't really mind one way or the other.
Mind you it was already pretty broken after having to listen to all the unnecessary Klingon speech, in small amounts its fine but the pilot had far too much.
I don't mind the advanced technologies we see as it is an experimental ship so it can be somewhat explained away, although I did have a good laugh when I saw holo Sarek lean on the desk, which is fine but I don't think the writers were really going for laughs at the time.
Bringing in the MU could perhaps have been better utilised in the second season when it could have been thought through more, I have no problem with S31 being a main part of the second season either, although perhaps it would have been best if S31 was in the first season and the MU in the second season, I would have preferred it if Lorca had ended up being S31 rather than a MU duplicate that way we could have spent more time with the PU version of the character before he is replaced by the MU version in the second season.
Most of the big surprises and reveals were nothing of the sort and were seen coming a mile away which didn't help matters.
For me its PU (because they say it is) but they are really pushing their credibility and what was an ok pilot and season could have been so much more, think how many more Klingon model kits they would sell if they were recognisable.
Some glaring unforced and unnecessary changes mar what could have been fantastic, its no surprise to me that some (understandably) feel that it is not PU at all.
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Yeah its the biggest visual issue for me in the show.
Shame really.
I can live with the Klingon appearance I just think they went a bit too overboard with the prosthetics.
For all we know they may be intending to explain it all away in a future story arc.
I can live with both Klingon ships and appearances.
STD is a reboot and it's prime timeline.
Basically what that means is STD does provide some TOS fanwank, but isn't beholden to the continuity and aesthetics of TOS.
STD is basically the NEW Prime Timeline for Star Trek, re-imagined, It works on the belief that TOS is apparently incredibly dated, and the 2250s/60s need to be re-envisioned with the modern sensibilities and present day politics of today's world. This is what happens when you put people who aren't fans of TOS in charge of a series set during the time of TOS.
Basically what that means is STD does provide some TOS fanwank, but isn't beholden to the continuity and aesthetics of TOS.
STD is basically the NEW Prime Timeline for Star Trek, re-imagined, It works on the belief that TOS is apparently incredibly dated, and the 2250s/60s need to be re-envisioned with the modern sensibilities and present day politics of today's world. This is what happens when you put people who aren't fans of TOS in charge of a series set during the time of TOS.
It is beholden to the continuity.
I see where you’re both coming from here but I can’t understand how the aesthetic look of the TOS era isn’t part of the continuity of Star Trek. Everything needs to look advanced for the audience to believe it’s advanced these days. A creative reason why the tech may look “dated” escapes the writers and they seemingly believe we either wouldn’t understand or accept one were they to come up with one.
I’m cool with it being a reboot mind you - even if it wants to follow the same events of the prime universe, that’s fine. But it doesn’t fit into the visual continuity of Star Trek the way the rest of Star Trek aligns with itself. It’s like the diagonal line on the blackboard in back to the future 2 for me.
But if you change half of everything we knew (which the visuals are) then he really didn't want to tell a story in what "we knew".
And I'm not someone saying that they should've rebuilt everything straight from the blueprints of the 60's sets. At the same time, they should've tried a bit harder to make Discovery seem aesthetically similar to TOS.
That's debatable.
If this show was actually written as an in-continuity TOS prequel, I doubt we'd have a spore drive and magic mushroom network just a few years before TOS.
But you can do mental gymnastics to make it fit, as you can with anything really.
I can't stress this enough. I think the message is misconstrued when saying Discovery should look more like TOS is mentioned. Every time I see this argument come up it's like this.
"Discovery should look closer to TOS."
"So it should like like a cheap dated show from the 60's?"
First off, Nobody is saying Discovery should look cheap. Yes we know TOS was made in the 60's. No doubt about that. Nobody is saying make a 1:1 re-creation of TOS sets. Let's try this for example.
Here's an Aston Martin DB5. A beautiful elegant car made in the 60's.
Here's a David Brown Speedback GT concept car heavily inspired by the DB5.
It's a sleeker, more modern update of the DB5's design while still being respectful to it's core design aesthetic.
Here's an Aston Martin DB5. A beautiful elegant car made in the 60's.
Here's a David Brown Speedback GT concept car heavily inspired by the DB5.
It's a sleeker, more modern update of the DB5's design while still being respectful to it's core design aesthetic.
This is essentially the same as the difference between the TOS Enterprise and the Disco Enterprise. On the exterior at least. They added TMP-level detailing and threw in some DSC elements to make it look like it would fit. And that's all they did to update it.
I know, I know... before someone else posts it, I'll do it for you. "No it's not!" I know what I walked into.
Fortunately I don't mind the Discovery version of the Enterprise, I quite like it. It's the other ships and Discovery itself in the show that don't quite match up for me unfortunately. I do hope we see more Federation ships in that style. I do hope we'll also see a Disco style Miranda too.
I like that ship! It's exciting!Fortunately I don't mind the Discovery version of the Enterprise, I quite like it. It's the other ships and Discovery itself in the show that don't quite match up for me unfortunately. I do hope we see more Federation ships in that style. I do hope we'll also see a Disco style Miranda too.
The Disco version could be worse. Though it is emblematic of some of the problems of a show supposedly taking place concurrent with TOS: they don't seem to take the idea of Prime very seriously. Not as seriously as they try to portray in interviews. From the Klingons all of a sudden having no hair and sensors in their ridges to cloaking devices to the Spore Drive. All things that could be cool in their own right as part of a rebooted universe, but require mental gymnastics of a magnitude that I'm simply not capable or willing of doing.
Woah, who made this?Fortunately I don't mind the Discovery version of the Enterprise, I quite like it. It's the other ships and Discovery itself in the show that don't quite match up for me unfortunately. I do hope we see more Federation ships in that style. I do hope we'll also see a Disco style Miranda too.
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