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Do you "accept" the Borg Queen?

Borg Queen, good or bad idea?

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    Votes: 21 38.2%
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    Votes: 34 61.8%

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Well, Picard serving as mouthpiece for the Borg didn't make any sense, either. How is a human face and personality needed to force an unconditional surrender and assimilation?

Assimilating Picard for a mouthpiece made sense in the way that he was (probably) well known to Federation leaders and to some of the population, being the captain of the flagship.

The thing that makes me chuckle about the queen, is that at the end of 'First Contact' when the queen is destroyed, all the Borgs are destroyed at the same time. It's like having a flat tire on your car and it's scrap after that.
 
Well, Picard serving as mouthpiece for the Borg didn't make any sense, either. How is a human face and personality needed to force an unconditional surrender and assimilation?

Assimilating Picard for a mouthpiece made sense in the way that he was (probably) well known to Federation leaders and to some of the population, being the captain of the flagship.


The thing that makes me chuckle about the queen, is that at the end of 'First Contact' when the queen is destroyed, all the Borgs are destroyed at the same time. It's like having a flat tyre on your car and it's scrap after that.
 
Assimilating Picard for a mouthpiece made sense in the way that he was (probably) well known to Federation leaders and to some of the population, being the captain of the flagship.
The borg should've overhauled their PR if they thought propping up a multilated semi-corpse of a Starfleet officer was going to persuade the Feds to rethink the whole assimilation business.
 
Assimilating Picard for a mouthpiece made sense in the way that he was (probably) well known to Federation leaders and to some of the population, being the captain of the flagship.

And how does his being well known help the Borg to stick machinery into people's bodies and turn people into components? This isn't diplomacy, it's brute force. It was a contrived dramatic device to arrange that cliffhanger, that's all.
 
The borg should've overhauled their PR if they thought propping up a multilated semi-corpse of a Starfleet officer was going to persuade the Feds to rethink the whole assimilation business.

And how does his being well known help the Borg to stick machinery into people's bodies and turn people into components? This isn't diplomacy, it's brute force. It was a contrived dramatic device to arrange that cliffhanger, that's all.

The Borg thinking was:
To Picard: "You command the strongest ship in the Federation fleet, you speak for your people."
Maybe the Borg saw it their way, if the captain of the strongest ship introduces the Borg to everyone, somehow it would be easier. It wasn't but who knows how the Borg thinks.
 
The Borg thinking was:
To Picard: "You command the strongest ship in the Federation fleet, you speak for your people."
Maybe the Borg saw it their way, if the captain of the strongest ship introduces the Borg to everyone, somehow it would be easier. It wasn't but who knows how the Borg thinks.

See, it doesn't make sense. There's no facilitation possible here. Locutus on a screen speaking Borg demands is the same as a faceless voice doing so. I suppose there's some intimidation to be had from having it come from one of "Starfleet's finest". We got J-L Picard, so what chance have YOU got?
 
I liked the borg queen more until I went back and rewatched the early TNG epsidoes with the borg. Now I think the borg are a more impressive enemy without being simplified with the queen. Although the actress did an amazing job with it and it's one of my favorite movies, so it's great either way.

I disagree with the idea that they needed the queen for the audience. That may be the reason why they did it, but that doesn't mean it had to be done. For instance they could have a crewmember assimilated and use that as the speaking piece. Much of the crew was on the planet not having much to do. Could have had Riker or Beverly assimilated or a Locutus clone show up. There's a lot they could do with some imagination.
 
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The Borg Queen was a shortcut way to give a face to the villain in First Contact, but she served that role well. Her constant chasing after Voyager and failing again and again to do so became rather ridiculous in terms of the apparent schemes and machinations of the Collective turning in to an almost obsession with Voyager. Which, from an emotional point of view could be understandable. But, the Borg are supposed to be cold and logical and one ship being a nuisance isn't logical-it's a vendetta.
 
See, it doesn't make sense. There's no facilitation possible here. Locutus on a screen speaking Borg demands is the same as a faceless voice doing so. I suppose there's some intimidation to be had from having it come from one of "Starfleet's finest". We got J-L Picard, so what chance have YOU got?

Maybe the Borg had some logic behind it, if not, why would have they done it? (except a cool plot twist)

We don't know how the Borg thinks so maybe it made sense to them. Assimilating an entire culture made sense to them, who knows what else would.
 
The Borg Queen was a shortcut way to give a face to the villain in First Contact, but she served that role well. Her constant chasing after Voyager and failing again and again to do so became rather ridiculous in terms of the apparent schemes and machinations of the Collective turning in to an almost obsession with Voyager. Which, from an emotional point of view could be understandable. But, the Borg are supposed to be cold and logical and one ship being a nuisance isn't logical-it's a vendetta.

Logical? Only in the sense that everybody tends to assume s/he is "logical". Not only is logic not a thing for them, as far as I know, but their existence is single-mindedly pointless, anything but logical.

Any driven individual could have a vendetta especially if he/she has no access to real, fulfilling, rewarding life. In her case, that individual vendetta could drive the whole Collective I suppose. It's still silly, though, if she does have this vendetta, which I don't remember.

What is improbable to me is the Borg obsession with Earth. Maybe that was Berman's handiwork... supposedly he thought viewers care a lot more if Earth is threatened. Why not just work their way gradually in our direction, picking off one planet after another, nibbling at the edges of the Federation? Why send just one cube (TWICE) all the way into the center of the Federation, then keep quitting when one cube doesn't succeed? Yes I know, because evil.
 
What is improbable to me is the Borg obsession with Earth. Maybe that was Berman's handiwork... supposedly he thought viewers care a lot more if Earth is threatened. Why not just work their way gradually in our direction, picking off one planet after another, nibbling at the edges of the Federation? Why send just one cube (TWICE) all the way into the center of the Federation, then keep quitting when one cube doesn't succeed? Yes I know, because evil.

Or the whole illogic of flying to 24th Century Earth THEN going back in time. Want to succeed? Go back in time FIRST.
 
Was the Queen, "fully functional"?
Given what they did to Data's arm combined with nanobots and a detailed examination of the genitals of every being they had assimilated, I expect if she wasn't immediately, she could have been in very short order.
 
What is improbable to me is the Borg obsession with Earth. Maybe that was Berman's handiwork... supposedly he thought viewers care a lot more if Earth is threatened. Why not just work their way gradually in our direction, picking off one planet after another, nibbling at the edges of the Federation? Why send just one cube (TWICE) all the way into the center of the Federation, then keep quitting when one cube doesn't succeed? Yes I know, because evil.
You'd target the planet with the most strategic significance. If the borg picked planets off piece meal they'd just give Starfleet more time to regroup. Earth is at the centre, so they make a dive for it.
 
Or the whole illogic of flying to 24th Century Earth THEN going back in time. Want to succeed? Go back in time FIRST.

They only went back in time after their main asset (cube) had been destroyed, so it's quite possible the time travel scheme was nothing more than a backup plan, their original plan being to simply assimilate earth in the present by brute force. But I agree with you that traveling back in time before reaching earth would have seemed the smarter tactic.
 
The Borg thinking with Picard was that they'd have less will to resist if one of their own was commanding them. They probably also thought they were taking advantage of the hierarchical nature of Starfleet command structure.
 
I liked it at the time. Not so much anymore.

But yes, I accept her. Can't really pick our canon.
 
I accept the Queen, but by "Unimatrix Zero" she had become quite a joke. "We'll see you soon, Harry"; "In the Collective we have lots of friends" "JANEWAY...!"
 
I wonder whether it's possible that at the time of FC there was a race between Borg space and Earth which would make the Borg traveling through that area more challenging than in the 24th century. As a very bad example, if the Q Continuum took a more active interest in the affairs of others at that point in time, for instance, then I can see the Borg not wanting to deal with that.

Or maybe they felt the risk of causing a temporal disruption by being in the past for such an extended time was unwarranted.
 
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