Do you "accept" the Borg Queen?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by JesterFace, Dec 29, 2016.


Borg Queen, good or bad idea?

  1. Good

    20 vote(s)
  2. Bad

    34 vote(s)
  1. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

    Jun 1, 2014
    Suomi Finland
    What do you think of the idea of the Borg having a gueen? I hate the idea, before the queen was around, the Borg was a faceless enemy that would not have any discussion with you, they just say what they want and if you don't give it to them, they take it.

    Was the queen created basically to have someone for Picard to talk to so he could have a dialog with the borg?

    It may be boring TV if the adversary won't speak back at you, but during TNG the Borg weren't around that often.

    There is nothing in my own "personal Trek canon" with the queen on it, even if Alice Krige is a good actor.
  2. USS Triumphant

    USS Triumphant Vice Admiral Admiral

    Dec 29, 2008
    Go ahead, caller. I'm listening...
    As my personal savior? Definitely not. :rofl:

    As a good story idea, as opposed to leaving the Borg "consciousness" the ever-changing result of the amalgamation of the information (assimilated and otherwise) in the Collective? No. :thumbdown:

    As Trek canon that we must now live with and adapt our ideas about the Borg to fit? Yes. :sigh:
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  3. Paradise City

    Paradise City Commodore Commodore

    Nov 9, 2015
    The borg were oversaturated and overused so they had to jazz it up by having a specific evil face upon which to fixate upon.

    The borg should've been used sparingly and left as mechanical and utterly inhuman.
  4. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Apr 19, 2014
    Enterprise bowling alley
    I don't know if my acceptance of it matters or not. There's a multi-million dollar film in the franchise that says she exists. I guess that will have to do.

    The Queen served the same purpose in FC that Locutus served in put a "villain face" on the adversary.
  5. 1001001

    1001001 Pull Up a Groove and Get Fabulous! Moderator

    Nov 3, 2001
    Danny Street
    Yes, I think it makes a lot more sense with a queen.

    They're like ants, or bees.

    If you've ever had ants in your house, you know individuals don't matter, and they never stop coming!
  6. Spot261

    Spot261 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 16, 2013
    Excuse me sir, can you spare a moment of your time for our lord?

    No? Is it because of the suffering in the world?
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  7. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

    Nov 20, 2012
    Borg Queen made the Borg from a unique villain to just another baddie.
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  8. Gary 11's

    Gary 11's Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Oct 10, 2016
    Grappenhall, UK
    Was she not introduced in first contact to make the borg a less complicated baddie for the mainstream audience?
  9. zar

    zar Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Aug 30, 2010
    She was introduced to give Picard a satisfying neck to break.
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  10. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    King Daniel Beyond
    Really liked the queen in FC and as Janeway's increasingly personal nemesis is Voyager.

    Without any personality at all, the Borg would have gotten really dull, really fast. Hence Picard's assimilation in BoBW.
  11. BillJ

    BillJ Canon Warrior Premium Member

    Jan 30, 2001
    Escaped from Trumpistan
    Doesn't matter whether I accept it or not.
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  12. Sophie74656

    Sophie74656 Commodore Commodore

    Aug 10, 2016
    New Jersey
    I have mixed feelings about the Queen. In theory a queen makes some sense, like the collective mind is essentially her mind. But I didn't really like her having a personal vendeta against people
  13. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

    Jun 1, 2014
    Suomi Finland
    I think the Borg was used in a correct amount during TNG, first the introduction by Q, then the Borg attack, later Hugh... There wasn't too much Borg stuff going on.
  14. at Quark's

    at Quark's Commodore Commodore

    Dec 15, 2012
    Kind of ambivalent about the queen. I think the Borg were "better", more chilling, more of an 'eldritch abomination', when they were a relentless, faceless horde that couldn't really be talked to, couldn't be reasoned with, couldn't be persuaded with any incentive otherwise (barring superior force, and that's not really persuasion) once they'd made up their mind. From a story telling perspective though, I can understand that they'd run out of story potential very quickly, and so they had to introduce a face and "personality" for our protagonists to interact with if they wanted to keep using the Borg as a threat.

    So I can undestand why they needed the queen (or else would have been forced to use them very sparingly), even though I think the Borg concept was better without her.
  15. Avon

    Avon Commodore Commodore

    May 7, 2010
    what if the queens were just the borg collective messing with starfleet? billions of minds but no sense of humour, i don't buy it!
  16. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

    Jul 26, 2001
    United Kingdom
    Bad idea.

    I could accept it in First Contact, I didn't really like it but it made a bit of sense and I could head canon certain aspects - they did have Locutus, so why not another representative? It even makes a bit of sense after what happened in BoBW.

    But the way Voyager took the Borg Queen and ran with it? Stupid and ruins The Borg as shown in TNG. The Borg Queen was just way too much.
  17. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Feb 12, 2011
    astral plane
    I didn't really dig the Queen as part of the Borg, but I enjoyed Krige in First Contact. What the Borg were was a moving target over TNG and the rest of the series.
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

    May 10, 2005
    The visitor's bullpen
    The simple fact is that none of ST:FC would have been possible without the Queen. Not only does the character introduce a single "point of view" that individual characters can relate to, it makes the Borg vulnerable enough to make victory against them possible.

    Without the Queen, the Borg are essentially unstoppable and invulnerable, and you can't have a decent movie plot against an enemy like that.

    (Yes, the Queen was not used in BOBW, but Locutus was, and it's essentially the same thing.)
  19. Shawnster

    Shawnster Commodore Commodore

    Jul 28, 2008
    Clinton, OH
    I feel the exact opposite. The whole reason they needed Locutus was because the Borg did not have a unifying voice to speak for them. The Borg Queen made Locutus unnecessary as she could speak for the collective. Her existence completely nullified the purpose of kidnapping Picard in the first place.
  20. Paradise City

    Paradise City Commodore Commodore

    Nov 9, 2015
    Krige does her best and I liked First Contact generally. But the sultry BQ smoochin' Data and molesting Picard, it just came across as comedic to me. I had anticipated some V-Ger-esque outing were our heroes have to do some heavy lifting to deduce borg intentions but I guess that approach is just too layered for the box office.