Do you "accept" the Borg Queen?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by JesterFace, Dec 29, 2016.

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Borg Queen, good or bad idea?

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  2. Bad

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  1. JesterFace

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    What do you think of the idea of the Borg having a gueen? I hate the idea, before the queen was around, the Borg was a faceless enemy that would not have any discussion with you, they just say what they want and if you don't give it to them, they take it.

    Was the queen created basically to have someone for Picard to talk to so he could have a dialog with the borg?

    It may be boring TV if the adversary won't speak back at you, but during TNG the Borg weren't around that often.

    There is nothing in my own "personal Trek canon" with the queen on it, even if Alice Krige is a good actor.
     
  2. USS Triumphant

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    As my personal savior? Definitely not. :rofl:

    As a good story idea, as opposed to leaving the Borg "consciousness" the ever-changing result of the amalgamation of the information (assimilated and otherwise) in the Collective? No. :thumbdown:

    As Trek canon that we must now live with and adapt our ideas about the Borg to fit? Yes. :sigh:
     
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  3. Paradise City

    Paradise City Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The borg were oversaturated and overused so they had to jazz it up by having a specific evil face upon which to fixate upon.

    The borg should've been used sparingly and left as mechanical and utterly inhuman.
     
  4. Vger23

    Vger23 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I don't know if my acceptance of it matters or not. There's a multi-million dollar film in the franchise that says she exists. I guess that will have to do.

    The Queen served the same purpose in FC that Locutus served in BOBW...to put a "villain face" on the adversary.
     
  5. 1001001

    1001001 Pull Up a Groove and Get Fabulous! Moderator

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    Yes, I think it makes a lot more sense with a queen.

    They're like ants, or bees.

    If you've ever had ants in your house, you know individuals don't matter, and they never stop coming!
     
  6. Spot261

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    Excuse me sir, can you spare a moment of your time for our lord?

    No? Is it because of the suffering in the world?
     
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  7. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Borg Queen made the Borg from a unique villain to just another baddie.
     
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  8. Gary 11's

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    Was she not introduced in first contact to make the borg a less complicated baddie for the mainstream audience?
     
  9. zar

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    She was introduced to give Picard a satisfying neck to break.
     
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  10. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    Really liked the queen in FC and as Janeway's increasingly personal nemesis is Voyager.

    Without any personality at all, the Borg would have gotten really dull, really fast. Hence Picard's assimilation in BoBW.
     
  11. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Doesn't matter whether I accept it or not.
     
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  12. Sophie74656

    Sophie74656 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I have mixed feelings about the Queen. In theory a queen makes some sense, like the collective mind is essentially her mind. But I didn't really like her having a personal vendeta against people
     
  13. JesterFace

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    I think the Borg was used in a correct amount during TNG, first the introduction by Q, then the Borg attack, later Hugh... There wasn't too much Borg stuff going on.
     
  14. at Quark's

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    Kind of ambivalent about the queen. I think the Borg were "better", more chilling, more of an 'eldritch abomination', when they were a relentless, faceless horde that couldn't really be talked to, couldn't be reasoned with, couldn't be persuaded with any incentive otherwise (barring superior force, and that's not really persuasion) once they'd made up their mind. From a story telling perspective though, I can understand that they'd run out of story potential very quickly, and so they had to introduce a face and "personality" for our protagonists to interact with if they wanted to keep using the Borg as a threat.

    So I can undestand why they needed the queen (or else would have been forced to use them very sparingly), even though I think the Borg concept was better without her.
     
  15. Avon

    Avon Commodore Commodore

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    what if the queens were just the borg collective messing with starfleet? billions of minds but no sense of humour, i don't buy it!
     
  16. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    Bad idea.

    I could accept it in First Contact, I didn't really like it but it made a bit of sense and I could head canon certain aspects - they did have Locutus, so why not another representative? It even makes a bit of sense after what happened in BoBW.

    But the way Voyager took the Borg Queen and ran with it? Stupid and ruins The Borg as shown in TNG. The Borg Queen was just way too much.
     
  17. CorporalCaptain

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    I didn't really dig the Queen as part of the Borg, but I enjoyed Krige in First Contact. What the Borg were was a moving target over TNG and the rest of the series.
     
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

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    The simple fact is that none of ST:FC would have been possible without the Queen. Not only does the character introduce a single "point of view" that individual characters can relate to, it makes the Borg vulnerable enough to make victory against them possible.

    Without the Queen, the Borg are essentially unstoppable and invulnerable, and you can't have a decent movie plot against an enemy like that.

    (Yes, the Queen was not used in BOBW, but Locutus was, and it's essentially the same thing.)
     
  19. Shawnster

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    I feel the exact opposite. The whole reason they needed Locutus was because the Borg did not have a unifying voice to speak for them. The Borg Queen made Locutus unnecessary as she could speak for the collective. Her existence completely nullified the purpose of kidnapping Picard in the first place.
     
  20. Paradise City

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    Krige does her best and I liked First Contact generally. But the sultry BQ smoochin' Data and molesting Picard, it just came across as comedic to me. I had anticipated some V-Ger-esque outing were our heroes have to do some heavy lifting to deduce borg intentions but I guess that approach is just too layered for the box office.