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Do the seasons two part finales and openers get less as the show goes on?

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Seasons 3-6 end with a cliffhanger that is concluded in the next season. They start with arguably TNG's best two-parter, continue with Redemption and Time's Arrow, and conclude with Descent.

I just finished Descent part II. I was struck by how, for me, the two-parters become less as the show goes on. None are bad, and the first three are good to great. But while it's great, Redemption isn't as good as Best of Both Worlds; while good and fun, Time's Arrow isn't as good as Redemption; and Descent is a pretty lackluster, normal two-parter that doesn't stand out as a season finale and season opener. For me anyway.

Does anybody else agree? Did these two, parters go down in quality for you?
 
Descent has some great parts - most notably Commander Crusher actually being in command, and using her experience from Suspicions, and Nechayev chewing out Picard
 
I suppose they did. TBH, I feel like there were mid-season 2-parters that were better than the season enders. Gambit is better than Descent. Chain of Command is better than Time's Arrow. I mean, gawd, imagine they'd ended season 5 with Chain of Command Pt1 instead. We'd have lost our damn minds.
 
Sure "Descent" was a weak pair of episodes, though mostly just the second one, and pretty much nothing would approach "The Best of Both Worlds", but I would say "Redemption" and "Time's Arrow" were pretty comparable. The having to have cliffhangers to bridge the seasons felt at least a bit forced to me but with that having ones that are so-so also didn't feel particularly damaging, in particular between 5 and 6 and 6 and 7 those do feel like intentionally brief/slight gaps.

"Chain of Command" is yes a lot better but kind of feels better for being a bit more epic in where you would less expect it to (?) and yet (?) not trying too hard to be huge epic, both "Unification" and "Chain of Command" benefit from being mid-season pretty soon after conclusion of other two-parter, though I do think "Gambit" was really bad.
 
The worst thing BoBW ever did was to be so successful that it imposed the need to have something like it at the end of every season thereafter. I think we'd have been fine without that. HTF was any other story going to live up to human annihilation?
 
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I have grown very weary of the "Two Part Finale" pattern over the decades. Especially as shows have become more serialized and many (most?) episodes are cliff-hangery. Now it's just another cliff hanger only I have to wait for A YEAR or MORE for the resolution. (I very much had the same issue with Lost and nuBSG.)

I rather enjoy the Buffy model (which the first season of SNW kind of adopted as did Disco, if memory serves): Wrap up the Big Story for the season and then take a left turn at the end for some tidbit to be resolved (and as a leaping off point for next season).

Best of Both Worlds is, of course, one of the greatest two part cliff hangers of all time. It was Star Trek's Who Shot J.R. (Look it up.)
 
It was Star Trek's Who Shot J.R. (Look it up.)

Or for more modern audiences, "Who Shot Mr Burns".

Of course Burns came far later than BOBW, but then Groundhog Day was after Cause and Effect

I don't think Dallas has the same resonance with the public as the Simpsons has, which is still going, and has been going for nearly 40 years
 
The worst thing BoBW ever did was to be so successful that it imposed the need to have something like it at the end of every season thereafter. I think we'd have been fine without that. HTF was any other story going to live up to human annihilation?
I'm with the cliffhanger season finale, but they also should've mixed it with epic, single-episode finales that would've felt special without the need for an extended story.

Then it feels less like they're having to follow BOBW, which is too great to try to better or match every season thereafter.
 
Short story:
Yup! By and large, every 2-parter since TBOBW has been a partial misfire or total dud. Save for one, arguably...

Long story:
On one hand, to keep one-upping "The Best of Both Worlds" would be impossible and increasingly incredulous, and always ending on action action action piece would also become tropey. So trying other formats it gets some brownie points for... But that aside...

(Not to mention the music style of the show was taking a big turn, and one that more mimics 24th century life than appeasing the flow and tone of story scenes - a huge risk as the music of TNG was iconic as the rest of the show and now they're doing a paradigm shift for it...)

To the post-TBOBW stories:

"Redemption"'s second part flounders badly, also setting the tone for season 5 (don't get me started on the title logo change, Data's subplot, much less the tachyon net stuff), though pt 1 (season 4) is top tier in blending so many elements.

"Unification" was underwhelming at the time, for both Spock and especially Sela who, in classy season 5 fashion, quickly became a cartoony caricature.

"Time's Arrow" should have been more compelling. At least it's only "mostly forgettable" and not "egregiously bad or plot-by-numbers".

"Chain of Command", which I'd forgotten about until I was about to hit "Post reply", is actually solid, but still feels contrived for (a) getting Picard into peril, and (b) getting the new captain to be as disliked by the clique high school fast food fry cooks bridge crew for the sake of the plot. Almost as cringeworthy as "Ethics" was with the "increasingly evil guest doc of the week just to make a Crusher look good" routine. (By season 5, reusing the same dumb trope of making a Crusher look good by dumbing down and contriving everything else as means to accomplish it... I'll just rewatch season 1's worst stories instead as they handled the Crusher character better, and season 1 has two Crushers to choose from, woohoo!)

Oh geez. I forgot about "Birthright" too... was that before or after "Chain of Command"? Let's see, pt 1 is so questionable with Data dreaming somehow, and letting Dr Bashir ask Data about trying to explain why a human actor is playing a robot about his skin and hair and other navel gazing nonsense, then to wander the ship with an alien gizmo and there's no security protocol stopping him from entering sensitive areas... oh, and then they plug the alien gizmo into the dilithium chamber after hoping the circuit pathway scan is fully and magically compatible with the rubberstamp design-- really, this script is so typical of the era... Pt 2 is better in ways and for a character whose name doesn't rhyme with the second syllable of "panceta"), but it's also worse as it too often feels like it's telling the inverse of the message it's wanting to say but otherwise stumbling at it in every turn, while forgetting other issues because... well, gotta make the bridge crew look good and the guests of the week look bad, wasn't this sort of thing derided enough in season 1 and how come it's not for a character named "Crusher" this week?


"Descent" also has a great part one with much promise despite that style of music that just does not begin to fit or work (but whose use is thankfully limited), but whose cliffhanger - a supreme example of "small universe syndrome" and "fanwank gone wild... to music as orchestrated by a group of farting frogs" was only the beginning of how far "Descent" would descent (pt 2 is so stupid and horrendously atrocious that I'd rather rewatch "Angel One", "Justice", "Code of Honor", etc... especially with the prime beef idea of the Borg becoming individual killers and antithetical to their original M.O. and was effectively chilling for a while, reduced to a dumpster full of cow pies... to music as orchestrated by a group of farting hyenas.)

"Gambit", a surprising improvement as far as 2-parters go, was still so far by-the-numbers (as well as feeling like Star Wars-wannabe as the show was out of ideas and they must have had some leftover script ideas taken from DS9 or something) that the frogs and hyenas watching wondered why they'd spent the effort what with the music orchestrated by a flock of sedated geese with gas problems in this one.

"All Good Things", a couple plot nitpicks aside, was easily the strongest 2-parter since TBOBW and by a considerable distance.
 
I have grown very weary of the "Two Part Finale" pattern over the decades. Especially as shows have become more serialized and many (most?) episodes are cliff-hangery. Now it's just another cliff hanger only I have to wait for A YEAR or MORE for the resolution. (I very much had the same issue with Lost and nuBSG.)

I rather enjoy the Buffy model (which the first season of SNW kind of adopted as did Disco, if memory serves): Wrap up the Big Story for the season and then take a left turn at the end for some tidbit to be resolved (and as a leaping off point for next season).

Best of Both Worlds is, of course, one of the greatest two part cliff hangers of all time. It was Star Trek's Who Shot J.R. (Look it up.)

Yeah, multi-season arcs and each new season airs 18~24 later so it's harder to keep momentum... probably makes most sense to keep big big arcs within a single season, especially if the ultimate resolution doesn't really fit into the arc.
 
"All Good Things", a couple plot nitpicks aside, was easily the strongest 2-parter since TBOBW and by a considerable distance.
I know this is also a nitpick, but "All Good Things..." was not a two-parter. It was a single, two hour episode constructed as such, just like "Encounter at Farpoint" was. Which is probably why it fares better than many of the actual two-part episodes. The two-part version is an edited version for reruns that, unfortunately, cuts out several minutes of the episode to make room for the extra set of credits and the "last time on Star Trek: The Next Generation" recap.
 
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