Do repeated viewings of Star Trek 09 hold up so far?

[Tyberius]

Giacchino's score, which has grown on me in repeat viewings

I have to say that the score has grown on me as well. In the theatre, I thought that the score was the weakest element, but it seems to have staying power.

The plot holes are more obvious on repeated viewings but fortunately the film's just so much gosh darn fun that I can still enjoy it.

I feel that the plot holes seal up quite nicely with repeated viewings. I particular, the problem of locking onto the falling Kirk and Sulu, when orbital speeds are generally faster; there was a black hole being created, so there was extreme gravitational distortion (Chekhov had already calculated the effect of the black hole in determining the speed in which Vulcan would be destroyed and revised those calculations to do the the transporter lock)

I'm still not a big fan of the opening with the Kelvin. George Kirk's sacrifice strikes me as melodramatic rather than genuine emotion, although the score goes a long way almost selling the scene.

I disagree. I think Jennifer Morrison sold the scene for me.

Spock Prime's explanation of what happened in the 24th century still is a muddled mess. It's easily the weakest plot point of the movie, although it's far from the weakest scene, since Nimoy so effortlessly sells it.

I think in that bit, Nimoy may be filtering a little of the history. This is a highly compressed, trippy flashback, that conveys as much emotion as it does fact. I believe Spock censored much for Kirk's benefit possibly making himself appear less culpable for the future destruction of Romulus and the Past/Present destruction of Vulcan.

 

[T'Cal]

The George and Winona Kirk scene on the Kelvin is great IMO. I always get choked up when he continues to talk with her knowing full well he will be dead in moments. And, when he crashes the ship and she suddenly realizes he's dead, I'm all misty...excuse me...(sniff)

 

[KirkSpockTOSFan]

I seen the movie 9 times in the theater. And now since I have the movie, I've seen it the last I counted was 6 or more times. But since I have watched it repeated times, I lost count, so I bet its close to 20 times or more. I not only have the movie on blu ray, I have the movie on my iphone so I watch where ever I go, so I guess thats why I lost count. But to me the movie is as good as the first time I seen it in theaters. So I say yes its still an awsome movie. I still love it!

 

[startrekrcks]

Wow you must love the movie it is good isn't it?

 

[Noname Given]

Holds up just fine. As for plot holes - if 27 years later, the MAJOR plot holes in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan also do not detract from me still think it's the best original cast Star Trek feature film made; the few minor issues in Star Trek 2009 ain't an issue for me either.

 

[Jeri]

The George and Winona Kirk scene on the Kelvin is great IMO. I always get choked up when he continues to talk with her knowing full well he will be dead in moments. And, when he crashes the ship and she suddenly realizes he's dead, I'm all misty...excuse me...(sniff)

Good description of an amazing scene. I need a hanky, too. Couldn't take my eyes off George's cool. He bequeathed something great to his son.

 

[startrekrcks]

That scene was great Chris Hemsworth was great as daddy Kirk

 

[BillJ]

No.

The casting was fantastic and there were some nice character moments but there are too many flaws with the main story.

Plus without it affecting the main timeline... I wonder why I should even care what happens. Felt like they were trying to have it both ways.

 

[startrekrcks]

Is there a problem with the main story, Why whine about your dislike of this movie.

 

[BillJ]

is there a problem with the main story why whine about your dislike of this movie.

In English please.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No.

The casting was fantastic and there were some nice character moments but there are too many flaws with the main story.

Plus without it affecting the main timeline... I wonder why I should even care what happens. Felt like they were trying to have it both ways.

Because this is the "main" timeline now. Continuity wonks who fret over Kirk's middle initial are not the target audience.

 

[Tyberius]

is there a problem with the main story why whine about your dislike of this movie.

In English please.

You have the minority viewpoint.

As a holder of the minority viewpoint, it is incumbent for you to explain and defend that viewpoint. You have not done so in this thread.

Please explain your minority viewpoint. Please explain the plotholes that lead you to dislike the film whereas the general population likes the film.

Thanks.

 

[BillJ]

is there a problem with the main story why whine about your dislike of this movie.

In English please.

You have the minority viewpoint.

As a holder of the minority viewpoint, it is incumbent for you to explain and defend that viewpoint. You have not done so in this thread.

Please explain your minority viewpoint. Please explain the plotholes that lead you to dislike the film whereas the general population likes the film.

Thanks.

- Cadet to Captain.
- Red Matter.
- Beach ball sized container of Red Matter.
- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador flying the mission.
- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador who has intimate knowledge of time travel not attempting to correct the timeline and save his people.
- Supernova that is going to destroy the universe.
- SoCal bimbos being passed off as green animal women.

Need I go on?

 

[BillJ]

Oh what the hell...

- 17 year old Ensign being left in command twice during a combat situation.
- Transwarp beaming.
- The Kobyashi Maru scenario.
- Earth to Vulcan in a few minutes. People around here screamed when Enterprise stated the Kronos was four weeks away at warp 5.
- Building a starship on the ground.

And so on...

 

[barnaclelapse]

Still good for me.

 

[DonIago]

Holding up fine for me after 5 viewings (once with commentary). The opening scene, to me, actually got a little bit stronger after the first viewing, when I knew how it was going to end.

Also, I still love the blasting of the TOS music at the end.

 

[Tyberius]

- Cadet to Captain.

We don't know the Rank of Kirk as he left the Academy. In the US Navy if he had a degree he is a minimum of a Lieutenant.

In any case, he did not go from Cadet to Captain, he went from Cadet to First Officer and then from First Officer to Captain.

- Red Matter.

Warp drive.

- Beach ball sized container of Red Matter.

Inertial Dampeners to allow for Warp or High sub-light.

- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador flying the mission.

It was a suicide mission and he felt responsible.

- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador who has intimate knowledge of time travel not attempting to correct the timeline and save his people.

This was as good a timeline as any to help out. Here he actually may be able to do some good.

- Supernova that is going to destroy the universe.

Galaxy. But even that may have been overstated. How do supernovas work again? It's been a while since I've seen one up close.

- SoCal bimbos being passed off as green animal women.

SoCal bimbos gotta have work too. To bad we couldn't get an original Gorn.

Oh what the hell...

- 17 year old Ensign being left in command twice during a combat situation.

Wunderkind. Seemed like the most competent person left on the bridge at that time though.

- Transwarp beaming.

If you can overcome Heisenberg by using subspace to determine the position and acceleration of a particle, then why can't you use subspace to move those particles faster than light again?

- The Kobyashi Maru scenario.

How else was it to be shown that he "changed the conditions of the test"?

- Earth to Vulcan in a few minutes. People around here screamed when Enterprise stated the Kronos was four weeks away at warp 5.

There were scene breaks in between.

- Building a starship on the ground.

That's where your most important resource (people) are.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So, not so much plots holes as plot elements he didn't like.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

- Cadet to Captain.

Necessary dramatic conceit.

- Red Matter.

Genesis Device? The Omega Particle? Experimental, unknown McGuffin is not a plot hole or continuity error.

- Beach ball sized container of Red Matter.

That's how much was made, I guess. What's wrong with this?

- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador flying the mission.

Reasons for this were not established in the film, but Countdown shows him having to work fast with the Romulan Senate not believing him (calling him Alarmist), and the Vulcan Council were not exactly forthcoming due to their distrust of Romulans with Red Matter.

- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador who has intimate knowledge of time travel not attempting to correct the timeline and save his people.

Multiple Worlds theory makes corrections impossible, since they were in an Alternate Reality at that point. Going back in time, via any means, would create an Alternate Reality. Spock also had no MEANS to travel through time, and was not aware of the differences until Kirk showed up, and it became apparent what had happened. Not a plot hole.

- Supernova that is going to destroy the universe.

Actually, the Galaxy, and it was aparrently not a normal one. Some Treknobabble might have explained it, but that would make it lame for non-trekkers.

- SoCal bimbos being passed off as green animal women.

Orions are humanoid, so they probably have offspring under 35.

For all we know, she may have been adopted as a child by human parents, and/or not grown into the full "Animal Woman" stage.

Considering she aparrently promised Uhura that she would stop bringing men back to her room, I'd say she definately had that Orion promiscuity gene.

 

[OneBuckFilms]

- Cadet to Captain.

Necessary dramatic conceit.

- Red Matter.

Genesis Device? The Omega Particle? Experimental, unknown McGuffin is not a plot hole or continuity error.

- Beach ball sized container of Red Matter.

That's how much was made, I guess. What's wrong with this?

- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador flying the mission.

Reasons for this were not established in the film, but Countdown shows him having to work fast with the Romulan Senate not believing him (calling him Alarmist), and the Vulcan Council were not exactly forthcoming due to their distrust of Romulans with Red Matter.

- 160 year old Vulcan Ambassador who has intimate knowledge of time travel not attempting to correct the timeline and save his people.

Multiple Worlds theory makes corrections impossible, since they were in an Alternate Reality at that point. Going back in time, via any means, would create an Alternate Reality. Spock also had no MEANS to travel through time, and was not aware of the differences until Kirk showed up, and it became apparent what had happened. Not a plot hole.

- Supernova that is going to destroy the universe.

Actually, the Galaxy, and it was aparrently not a normal one. Some Treknobabble might have explained it, but that would make it lame for non-trekkers.

- SoCal bimbos being passed off as green animal women.

Orions are humanoid, so they probably have offspring under 35.

For all we know, she may have been adopted as a child by human parents, and/or not grown into the full "Animal Woman" stage.

Considering she aparrently promised Uhura that she would stop bringing men back to her room, I'd say she definately had that Orion promiscuity gene.