I think it'd be less taboo then you'd think being that people have gotten used to the concept. It would be like trying to buy pornography in the 80s would feel taboo, but now 14 year Olds have it on there phones. It just becomes an unspoken norm.
Do people go to the holodecks to have sex
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But if other people can actually simulate you, on the holodeck, that's a whole 'nother bag of snakes. Especially if they're using that version of "you" for sex.
Ideally, there would be some kind of regulation that says you can't simulate another person without their consent. I don't care if it's only a holo-you, I'd wager most people would think they have the right to know if they're being simulated.
Ideally, there would be some kind of regulation that says you can't simulate another person without their consent. I don't care if it's only a holo-you, I'd wager most people would think they have the right to know if they're being simulated.
As to the food, I'd assume it's "holofood" and not replicated, as I've never seen replicators in the holodeck. And the ramifications of functioning holographic replicators that produce real items or food is just to staggering and game changing.
That's because the holodeck itself IS a replicator. Just one big enough to walk into.
And there would be no reason for food eaten in a holodeck program to be holographic, anyway. No one would ever simulate their favorite restaurant if they couldn't eat actual food while using the program! If you knew the food you just ate would disappear from your stomach as soon as you left, there'd be no point to it. So logically speaking, holodeck food MUST be replicated.
Sure, there would be a point. Holodeck dieting.
I would love to pig out on all kinds of cake and cookies and chips and junk, and just have it all disappear from my stomach after I ate it.Maybe there are regulations on the books, but resourceful people would definitely find ways around it, just like they find ways around things like software security, copy protection, etc. today.
There was that time when Quark was trying to get holo-images of Kira to make such a simulation for a client. But Kira turned the tables on him.
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I doubt it's just people who can't attract their own human partners who go to the holodeck to have sex. With an option like the holodeck it's probably used as a surrogate on long assignments or a safe alternative to a one night stand with a stranger you picked up at a bar. Couples probably use it as a marital aid, like advanced roleplaying.
Let's be honest here. What's the majority of traffic on the internet? Do you think the human race could really put aside its aggressive, hostile nature if it didn't have a really good outlet for its caveman impulses?
Let's be honest here. What's the majority of traffic on the internet? Do you think the human race could really put aside its aggressive, hostile nature if it didn't have a really good outlet for its caveman impulses?
But, they've evolved, so does that mean their need to fill every base impulse has evolved as well?
Also, we saw the reaction to using other people's visages, especially in TNG, with Barclay using Troi and fighting the other senior staff, and LaForge with Leah Brahams, that there is definitely some social taboos to use people's appearances.
So, to answer the OP, yes, but there are some interesting social rules that come along with it.
You have been paying attention to Commander Riker, right? if he didn't have base impulses he would be completely devoid of any personality or character motivation. Riker is one who largely got entirely the wrong message from "Too boldly go where no man has gone before!"
Porn does not exist in the 24th century
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In reality, VR porn already exists.
http://mashable.com/2016/01/08/naughty-america-vr-porn-experience/
Despite being extrapolated as a "free thought" society--and as we know more repressed cultures actually watch more porn (bible belt in the USA, Islamic countries)--the 24th century might still have such things as fantasy fulfillment..whether it be aliens or someone who does not return romantic attention..though it may be against protocol.
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Porn doesn't need to exist in the 24th century. They have holodecks.
Think about it. Once the first rudimentary holodeck is invented (some say it has - the Oculus Rift and similar hardware) the first thing someone is going to program it to simulate is their favorite actor/actress/singer/whatever stripping for them, and then giving them a handjob. The porn industry already makes choose-your-adventure DVDs. Using holographic versions of mainstream performers instead of pornstars is the next step after making said choose-your-adventure in 3D.
Think about it. Once the first rudimentary holodeck is invented (some say it has - the Oculus Rift and similar hardware) the first thing someone is going to program it to simulate is their favorite actor/actress/singer/whatever stripping for them, and then giving them a handjob. The porn industry already makes choose-your-adventure DVDs. Using holographic versions of mainstream performers instead of pornstars is the next step after making said choose-your-adventure in 3D.
Obviously the definition of "porn" would change...even if run by an AI within a simulation it's still technically porn.
This actually is covered in Hollow Pursuits:The only question I'd have is, are users allowed to simulate other, real people without that person's knowledge or consent. (Barclay managed it in "Hollow Pursuits" but that may be because he's a Starfleet officer and probably knows how to get around any constraints.)
I mean, if somebody was using you as a sex toy in a holodeck program, you'd want to know about it, right? It'd sure creep me way the hell out.
Barclay continued to do this throughout TNG, remember there was a Wild West hooker based on Deanna in A Fistful of Datas, and when Worf found out, Alexander said that was added by Barclay. So not only is Barclay still creating holograms based on the crew, he's doing it in a program he must know there's a good chance the ship's chief of security is going to see, not the actions of someone doing something against regulations. Indeed, even on Voyager when Barclay was caught hanging out with holograms based on real people by an admiral, the admiral was only disturbed one of the holograms was based on his son, not by the fact Barclay was doing it. So no, there are no rules against creating holographic versions of real people, and presumably it wouldn't matter if you did use these holograms for sexual purposes.
Which is a sad commentary on the character then. Also, you missed my larger point that was asking if every base impulse was to satisfied or if some had been evolved past? That's my question.
I personally find Riker a bit insufferable at times so you'll excuse me if I've tuned him out
Oh, that's an interesting point. I had forgotten about Barclay's lab in VOY.
Indeed, you raise another very strong reason to avoid using HoloCharacters for sexual gratification And also, the U.S.S. Enterprise-D is a government vessel. I simply cannot imagine a sponsoring government like the Federation authorising its holofacilities to encourage and engage - directly - in sexual encounters with its holocharacters. What I can see being sanctioned are romantic, or even fetishistic settings - both indoors and outdoors. Like certain Honeymoon Suites you'll find at expensive hotels, around the world, sometimes. Simulations of tropical islands like Hawaii, and so-forth. The understanding, of course, is that yes, Starfleet personal are going to have sex with eachother in these environs, most likely. But for the Federation to act as a sort of Institutional Pimp, that's extremely hard for me to accept and if I were a producer of the show, I would fight very hard against that.
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^Two words: Gene Roddenberry.
The Federation is a liberated society that has conquered world hunger, greed (no money), war, etc... all they do is work hard to improve themselves as Picard stated to the cryogenic reanimated.
If a Holodeck experience leads to better bedroom performance, why not?
If the Federation is smart enough, it understands that human is a sexual creature and the results of their efforts can be better if there's no sexual tension in the air. They're in space for long periods of time with a small group of people. I'd say it's a good thing if a holodeck could improve the performance of the crew by relieving "pressure".
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