Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys

[Steven P Bastien]

Anakin’s mother is a ‘nobody.’ She only ‘matters,’ because she matters to Anakin.
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Yes and no. In one sense she is a nobody, but she is also a very decent person. If one considers her character relative to her life experience, then she is an exceptional person. I would compare her to Mary, mother of Jesus, which is an obvious comparison considering the method of conception of Anakin.

But, the claim about Rey's parents is that they are true nobodies with no decency to redeem them. This seems untenable. But, then again, it could be the counter-metaphor to the Evil of Anakin springing from the purity of his mother.

 

[DigificWriter]

There is no way that Rey's parents are nobodies. If they were, there would be no need to mention it. I hope whatever truth is revealed surpasses "No, I am your Father", and does not turn out to be a groaner like seeing an ape at Lincoln's Memorial.

If I were you, I wouldn't be holding my breath as far as a "different reveal" goes with regards to the identities of Rey's parents. It will just lead you to disappointment.

 

[Trekkin]

Yes and no. In one sense she is a nobody, but she is also a very decent person. If one considers her character relative to her life experience, then she is an exceptional person. I would compare her to Mary, mother of Jesus, which is an obvious comparison considering the method of conception of Anakin.

But, the claim about Rey's parents is that they are true nobodies with no decency to redeem them. This seems untenable. But, then again, it could be the counter-metaphor to the Evil of Anakin springing from the purity of his mother.

...this is a universe where we had a 10 minute scene devoted to nattering about the off-screen Darth Plagius, Grand High Poo-Bah Of All Round Badness, and Former Incompetent Boss Of Our Evil Emperor.

But some bad parents who are selfish enough to just abandon their kids, is untenable? That’s something real people actually do!

And whilst that abandonment might cause the kids to end up with issues that vary in severity, it doesn’t preclude them from being good or heroic people. For some, their history with shitty parents is what motivates them to help others.

 

[Steven P Bastien]

But some bad parents who are selfish enough to just abandon their kids, is untenable? That’s something real people actually do!

Lol, Well yes I know that. It was done to me in fact. I don't mean literally untenable. I just mean that the idea is dangled in front of us, and why do that if it is not to set up a surprise later.

 

[fireproof78]

Lol, Well yes I know that. It was done to me in fact. I don't mean literally untenable. I just mean that the idea is dangled in front of us, and why do that if it is not to set up a surprise later.

The idea of a low born hero who rises to greatness is pretty common in myths and fiction. Even Moana delved in to that.

 

[Trekkin]

Well, people did get a ‘surprise.’

Honestly, even at the time I thought people were putting too much stock in that thread. It just seemed that making Rey’s parents ‘important’ to the actual world building, clashed too hard with her character arc in TFA of needing to stop basing her entire world around them.

Plus, you know...Maz said they ‘were never coming back.’ Not ‘couldn’t come back.’

I thought the big reveal would be that she was a student at Luke’s temple. But I’m fine with being wrong.

 

[Steven P Bastien]

The idea of a low born hero who rises to greatness is pretty common in myths and fiction. Even Moana delved in to that.

Of course. But, my opinion is that will not be the case here. Let's wait and see. If they leave it that way, it's fine, but like I said, if they want to make a surprise, it needs to be a good one.

 

[BillJ]

OK, time for some common-sense...

The first Star Wars movie was never expected to launch a franchise. Lucas had contingencies for it but by the end of shooting he was thinking it was a disaster. So the plot-arc for Luke demanded that he score a big win despite still being in the novice phase of the Hero's Journey.

Also note that rather than simply give Luke the goal, so to speak, one of the other rebel pilots manages to almost lob one down the shaft. So the film doesn't invalidate the skills of the other pilots. They still had a fighting chance to destroy the Death Star over Luke.

Also note that Luke goes through a fair amount of emotional turmoil in SW, although the film sort of glosses over his likely PTSD, namely coming back to see Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru's smoldering corpses, and then losing Ben.

So when we're talking about Mary Sue, it's a matter of degree, and Rey, in comparison to Luke, merely coasts her way through obstacles in The Force Awakens. This is mostly JJs fault as he did much the same thing with Pine's Kirk. Kirk was "destined" to captain the Enterprise and so the first Trek film sort of ushered him to the captain's chair ridiculously fast. He sort of mis-reads the whole "chosen one" thing to the level where the movie feels like watching a videogame on easy-mode.

All I see is excuses for why a girl who makes pretty much the same exact journey, should for some reason be treated differently/poorly.

 

[Campe]

Of course. But, my opinion is that will not be the case here. But, let's wait and see. If they leave it that way, it's fine, but like I said, if they want to make a surprise, it needs to be a good one.

It makes a more interesting story to subvert expectations and not have her be someone important. But who knows what JJ has planned?

 

[Steven P Bastien]

It makes a more interesting story to subvert expectations and not have her be someone important. But who knows what JJ has planned?

Honestly, I can't think of any "reveal" that would be better than "humble origins". I just sense it coming like a freight train, and hoping that it does not go on to demolish the station.

 

[Campe]

Honestly, I can't think of any "reveal" that would be better than "humble origins". I just sense it coming like a freight train, and hoping that it does not go on to demolish the station.

I admit, there's a part of me that would love for her to be related to Obi-Wan, but another part of me realizes that makes this: 1) a small universe; 2) predictable and 3) utterly fan-fic-ish. So I try to come to my senses about it.

 

[Trekkin]

So when we're talking about Mary Sue, it's a matter of degree, and Rey, in comparison to Luke, merely coasts her way through obstacles in The Force Awakens..

Still not what defines a ‘Mary Sue’. You can see that in the examples people have tried to give of canon ‘Sue’s.’

For eg. Someone brought up Wolverine, because he can regen from a single cell. Why did Wolverine need to do that? Oh yeah...he lost a fight with Horde. Really, really badly.

(Although note: his powers weren’t nearly actually what saved him there. His one remaining drop of blood just conveniently fell in a magic crystal, which is so much better and not Sue-ish because we can ‘explain’ it through the Force being with hi-wait.)

Also, Rey: Got her ass handed to her twice by Kylo, and had to get saved by Finn. Never actually manages to get Luke to train her, is tricked and tortured by Snoke, requires a Kylo-shaped rescue, fails to redeem Kylo, accidentally destroys her/Anakin’s/Luke’s lightsaber, breaks the Falcons gun when trying to take on TIE fighters and ends up having to hide. Which means Han is probably the world’s first non-Jedi Force ghost, for the express purpose of haunting her.

Oh. Also finds out she’s wasted most of her life and tap- danced with the Dark Side for absolutely nothing, because she’d been in denial and pining for people that never gave a shit about her.

But yeah. Keep trying to convince us that endlessly repeating Mary Sue means something. Despite having pretty much fallen out of use even amongst fanficcers, because it’s became so expansive, subjective, and just generally mean-spirited, that it’s practically useless for actual critique.

 

[BillJ]

I admit, there's a part of me that would love for her to be related to Obi-Wan, but another part of me realizes that makes this: 1) a small universe; 2) predictable and 3) utterly fan-fic-ish. So I try to come to my senses about it.

Maybe Episode IX opens with her and Kylo Ren making more baby Skywalker's? That would be a curve ball way to integrate Rey into the Skywalker saga.

 

[Campe]

Maybe Episode IX opens with her and Kylo Ren making more baby Skywalker's? That would be a curve ball way to integrate Rey into the Skywalker saga.

 

[DigificWriter]

Of course. But, my opinion is that will not be the case here.

And that is a mistake because you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Steven P Bastien]

And that is a mistake because you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I'll only be disappointed if they decide to make a surprise reveal, and then it ends up being a lame "groaner". I mentioned the Planet of the Apes remake as one that literally made me groan (truly and several people in the theater turned to look at me), when they tried to copy the surprise ending of the original. Yeah, the more I think about it now, the more I hope I'm wrong and that they just leave it alone. Rey's parents were losers and she is awesome, - game over.

 

[Trekkin]

Maybe Episode IX opens with her and Kylo Ren making more baby Skywalker's? That would be a curve ball way to integrate Rey into the Skywalker saga.

 

[Campe]

Literally, if you believe @BillJ .

 

[Trekkin]

Literally, if you believe @BillJ .

One day, you’re all gonna spike my blood pressure just that little bit too high with that shit.

They’ll find me slumped over the keyboard, the half-typed rebuttal to ‘Neelix and Kes was true love and should have lived happily ever after!!!’ flashing on screen, and blood pouring from my eyes and nose.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Maybe Episode IX opens with her and Kylo Ren making more baby Skywalker's? That would be a curve ball way to integrate Rey into the Skywalker saga.

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